XTR 9100, WeAreOne, Chris King, E13 and OneUp
Yeti SB150 'Test Platform' Custom Build
It's often not feasible to strap test product onto a test bike. The frame is part of the test, and certainly the most important element, but we are also evaluating the product spec and how everything works together. Change the fork and you change the bike. Which means there needs to be a calm centre to the product testing storm, which I like to call my test platform.
It's essential that this is a bike that performs well for me and this one does; fit is perfect, it allows me to ride at the best of my ability and I have answered all the questions about tuning and set up. That way if I strap on a new set of wheels and I feel something different, I may come to the conclusion the wheels are responsible. I know, it's Einstein-level stuff.
After testing the Yeti SB150 the decision was easily made. The size large frame perfectly suits virtually all the riding I do and is an incredible performer, both up and down, on top of fitting me better than any bike I've ridden. I have been collecting test parts and other elements for this build for months, and the final bits, from Chris King, arrived last week so Friday became build day.
With a little help from Jeff Bryson at Bikeroom, who did the brake bleed and 'cable porn' for me, she was ready to go. She's a mix of XTR, WeAreOne, OneUp, e*thirteen and Chris King with an Ergon saddle - and everything came together perfectly. Product choice was a combination of parts I was interested in testing and a few I have confidence in that were essential to the build, namely Chris King headset and bottom bracket and e*thirteen TRSr tires. I'll lay everything out in captions below, but I will say that after just one ride I am smitten with this bike.
When it was announced that XTR hubs were going to be available but without a corresponding XTR rim (or other Shimano-branded product) my first thought was WeAreOne Composites from Kamloops B.C. I was treated to a tour of their modest manufacturing facility and I came away impressed. The fact that Dustin Adams' team in Kamloops is able to manufacture carbon rims domestically and still sell for less than half the price of other domestic manufacturers, caught my attention. Timing was good as well because WeAreOne had just released the Faction rim. With a 28mm internal measurement and a shallower cross-section to improve compliance, these are aimed at the trail market.
OneUp Components continues to beat the big brands at their own game, particularly in the dropper market; more drop, shorter stack and overall lengths and better pricing. The posts also seem to be durable, well-engineered and reliable so it was time for me to give one a go. I was also interested in trying the company's new carbon bar.
In order to engineer some flex the cross section of the bar was flattened some. I have no idea if it felt any different after one ride because everything was different, so some back to back analysis will be required. I also used OneUp's tidy stem that is designed to work with the EDC (Every Day Carry) system. There is a clamping mechanism on the stem that does the job of the top cap, putting downward pressure on the headset and keeping things tight. This also means you can use EDC without threading your steerer tube.
Shimano XTR 9100
The heart of this build is Shimano XTR 9100, which I first saw in Japan and then later rode in Crested Butte. There are a couple of changes since Crested Butte; the 'Scylence' hub has been shelved for now and the cranks have been delayed. Shimano is said to be continuing the pursuit of the disengaging Scylence hubs, that run silently and with virtually no drag, but they won't be included with this version of XTR sadly. Instead the hubs will be the new FH-9111 model with an identical 7.6º of engagement. Apparently the Scylence hubs weren't reliable enough to meet Shimano's standards for XTR.
The cranks have been held up by a manufacturing issue. Shimano used a hollow forged construction on previous XTR but this version was to be a hollow bonded construction. Until that is sorted Shimano has issued a non-series FC-MT900 crank finished in black. It's a good looking component but the placeholder is not as sweet as the original. The new cranks were 594 grams on my scale, while the bonded version was said to be 511. These are still lighter than previous XTR.
Other changes include the cancellation of the 11spd option, which was aimed at racer-types with a desire to shed some weight and who had no need for a 51t cog. The short cage derailleur and the 10-45 option are still available.
Everything went together well and I continued to be impressed with the shifting smoothness and braking feel, power and modulation on home terrain - after one ride that is.
Of course Shimano is all about the shifting, and I'm looking forward to challenging XTR9100 on the North Shore in all sorts of weather conditions. In Crested Butte conditions were as close to ideal as you can get. It will be interesting to see how Hyperglide +,* which uses Shimano's HG technology on upshifts for the first time, works when you have only a moment to make a shift before you've got to ratchet off the edge of a rock face.
I dove in on HG+ in my first XTR 9100 article here...
I remember Hugh Hefner being asked whether he got bored because of the access he had to an unending supply of young partners. Hef was Playboy so he could only answer in the affirmative, but I thought it was likely bullshit. I however have to say that I am no less fond of interesting, beautifully-made bike frames and parts than when I first became smitten with bikes as a young lad. It doesn't hurt that bikes have taken leaps and bounds in recent years, with more and more emphasis placed on the rider's experience, but the engineering excellence and sheer inventiveness in this industry continues to put a smile on my face 35 years after buying my first mountain bike.
Stay tuned for updates on the test products currently installed and those waiting in the wings.
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[user profile deleted]
5 years, 6 months ago
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Shoreboy
5 years, 6 months ago
How about we start with the $5 crimpless cable end :) If you are going to go full dentist build, you gotta have these!
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Kos
5 years, 6 months ago
Personally, not a fan of the bike (150 mm "Enduro" bike without adequate room for an honest 2.4 tire?!) but a huge fan of the back to back testing idea for various components. Bring it on!
REALLY interested in the slightly compliant bars (one bum hand here).
No fender for the SI, please. IIRC, when Fox and Yeti announced this concept, they showed a video of it operating while immersed in an abrasive bath for around a million hours. A real world NS test of this is called for.
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
I have run a 2.4 Minion with no trouble at all Kos. Clearance was fine and there was no contact. I've also run Specialized 2.6s - but they measure smaller than that.
Check my long term review of this bike for a little background on my desire for a fender. https://nsmb.com/articles/2019-yeti-sb-150-reviewed/ I think I may have done the real world test already.
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awesterner
5 years, 6 months ago
Cam, have you noticed any quirks from the OneUp dropper? I've had one for a few months and not too many rides. from the get go it struggles with the last 1/2" or travel on the way up. Seat collar is as loose as it will go without slipping down. It seems like a tight upper nylon bushing. I can remove the upper bushing (after unscrewing the cap) and the post slams up no problem. With the bushing in and the collar crewed tight, it struggles. I've improved things by sanding the out diameter of the bushing to free up the clearance a bit, but it still is a bit inconsistent. I'm sure a little more grease and maybe try a new bushing from them might help, but I'm curious if it's common. How's yours?
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
I have just returned from a press camp so I haven't had a chance for my second ride yet, but it was perfect on ride one. I would give them a call or send them an email. They are all about the customer service.
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XXX_er
5 years, 6 months ago
the Fox seat post on my 5.5 was creaky from day 1, I tried lube but it still always creaked, the key was to clean off all the lube and use carbon paste
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Eric Van Sickle
5 years, 6 months ago
You may want to change the WR1 dropper post to 1Up.
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
Doh! I always swap those. Thanks!
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Agleck7
5 years, 6 months ago
Is that a shim for your dropper? the horror!!
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cyclotoine
5 years, 6 months ago
I think it's just grease. The fact that the 210 dropper isn't slammed and shimmed for the perfect fit makes me think this frame is a bit on the small side.
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
No shim.
I am longer of leg than upper body, with an ape index of zero, so I tend to need lots of post extension but not massive reach. I have ridden bikes as long as 490mm reach comfortably but others that are a little shorter than that (XL Megatower) feel too big.
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earle.b
5 years, 6 months ago
I guess they don't need tire clearance in Colorado.
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IslandLife
5 years, 6 months ago
Beautiful bike, excellent and well thought out build. Looks to be about as good as a high performance test bed could be. I for one am excited to see the cycle of test parts applied to this bike.
Just curious... seems you've decided that the 150 > Lunch Ride?
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
Thanks IL!
Haven't ridden the lunch ride yet but I ride enough trails that scare me to death to justify all the travels. Beyond that the SB150 is an incredibly agile machine considering how capable it is.
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kekoa
5 years, 6 months ago
Nice build. Be curious to see how you get along with XTR 12 speed. I've got a smattering on my older sb5 and am trying to convince myself it was worth it.
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Chad K
5 years, 6 months ago
Cam, I really like the vinyl decals that wrap fully around on the part of the rear triangle that connects the seat and chainstay. Did you overlap it on the backside to make a loop?
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
I completely bodged the inside Chad. Because of the angles the strips point up on one side and down on the other on the back. To make it encircle as a band would require two separate pieces. I haven't decided whether I like the original pattern or the bands but the bands are much easier, at least for the outside!
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Chad K
5 years, 6 months ago
That makes sense, Cam. I noticed that yesterday when looking at my sb130. I've got a good bit of colored vinyl laying around, so maybe I'll give it a go for the bands
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babyzhendo
5 years, 6 months ago
Surprised you guys have liked the e.13 tires so much, especially for where you live. I'm in Seattle and found them terrifying - once you exceed a certain lean angle they tend to let go very suddenly, and grip has been pretty lackluster on wet roots and rocks. Had a few too many close calls on those (or in several cases, unexpected crashes) and went back to Magic Marys, no issues.
Those cable crimps look genius - where does a north american buy them? Your link is to a British site.
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
It's possible that my affection for the TRSr tires is somewhat terrain dependent. Lean angles are not a big thing for most of the trails we ride and I've not had that experience at all. You also may corner harder than I do! I've loved them in the wet though, on hard and soft surfaces. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that e*thirteen is cooking up something new all the same...
I was sent the Firewire ends by a UK distributor - and he no longer seems to carry them. So nice to work with as long as you have clean ends to start with. I haven't found them on this side of the pond sadly.
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Peter Adamkovics
5 years, 6 months ago
do you have any extra you want to sell? :-)
2.99 GBP is currently 3.82USD... i can almost live with that, they do look really cool. it's the 30 GBP shipping cost that's keeping me from buying any.... (maybe I need to order 100 of them, but alas, i don't have 100 dentist riding buddies)
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
We all know where these are made. There must be a way to get some to North America - or at least to Canada where tariffs are lower!
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Cam McRae
5 years, 6 months ago
Found some for less on Aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/aluminum-alloy-cycling-bike-brake-cable-tips-crimps-bicycles-derailleur-shift-cable-end-caps-core/32653679680.html
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Shoreboy
5 years, 6 months ago
Also on Amazon.ca
https://www.amazon.ca/Flying-Wheels-Aluminum-1-1mm-1-2mm-1-5mm-1-6mm/dp/B075K1LYL2/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=Cycling+Reusable+End+Cap&qid=1558461918&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
Peter Adamkovics
5 years, 6 months ago
nice! thanks for the tip (both Cam and Shoreboy)
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