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Starling In The Slipstream

Photos Dain Zaffke
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Starling In The Slipstream

Anti-marketing marketing and design simplicity; Starling’s Twist is a British built single pivot mullet that can be either a 135mm trail bike or a 165mm enduro masher. It’s made out of steel. Is this a legit mountain bike, or an exercise in deviant steampunk romanticism?

Starling has been riding a wave of anti-establishment popularity for a few years now. The Bristol, UK-based brand founded by former aerospace engineer Joe McEwan started out with a no-fuss steel single pivot bike in 2015 that immediately won praise from Dirt’s Steve Jones and garnered a surge of positive reviews following that. This established the brand, and also gave rise to a highly partisan owner/fan base, rallying around the brand’s clarion call of “bikes that perform simply; bikes that simply perform.”

Knowing that Kool-Aid comes in many flavors, and having chugged down enough of the carbon fiber, multi-pivot, “our technology is more betterer than everyone else’s” over the years, I can appreciate the desire to drink something a little more easily digestible. Like choosing a Greyhound over a Long Island Ice Tea, to stretch a metaphor. Simplicity has its allure, for sure. But, simplicity itself is also a Kool-Aid flavor. So, I have been intrigued enough by the Starling brand Kool-Aid for long enough now to want a taste, but, like I mentioned, I’ve swallowed gallons of the stuff and am prone to suspicion about everything these days.

Nevertheless, when the opportunity to spend a month railing blown out turns on the latest version of a Starling Twist arose, I eagerly threw my Poc Tectal into the ring. I’m going to break the next part of this review into pieces that may not make total sense. First, I’m going to talk about the promise and premise behind the Twist (apologies for any confusion to people who read my earlier reference of a different bird - the Swift). Then I’m going to talk about my suspicions and biases, then I’m going to talk about how the bike rode.

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Ahhh, heck. Spoiler alert. It rips.

Promise/Premise

This is the easy bit. The Twist (and all other Starling models, for that matter) is a dead nuts simple design; one pivot, two big bearings, mostly external cable routing, round steel tubes without any fancy shaping, one sort of bottle mount. The promise here is that most riders don’t need all the fluffy technology that they have been habituated to crave. In the words of Starling, this is “the perfect blend of raw speed and fun.” In travel and intent, the Twist jumps into a pretty heavily populated arena, but instead of boasting more sophisticated suspension kinematics or refined carbon fiber layup maps derived from painstaking hours of FEA, it slaps down simplicity as its welcome mat.

The Twist is an all steel, single pivot, mullet configured trail bike. Starling front triangles are Reynolds 853, filet brazed in Bristol by, as Joe puts it “One and a half frame builders. We did have two and a half, but one left, so now we are down to one and a half. The ‘half’ being a part time apprentice…” The Boost-spaced, cromoly rear triangles are TIG welded in Taiwan and have enough room to stuff a 2.8” tire in between the stays. There’s a big pair of brazed on plate gussets sandwiching the front of the top and down tubes, and a multi-holed shock mount on the downtube that also adds some reinforcement. The mount is designed so that riders can opt for either a 210x50mm shock to build the Twist in its 135mm travel “trail” configuration, or a 230x65mm unit for a 165mm travel “enduro” option using the same rear triangle. The front triangle is also the same as the 29” wheeled Murmur, so there is wheel-size adaptability available via swingarm swapping. The bike here, as tested, was ridden entirely in the 135mm “trail” mode.

This, the V3 Twist, is moderately tweaked from the prior model. Seat angle has been steepened a bit and the bottom bracket raised slightly. The head tube is beefier to alleviate ovalizing concerns when running big forks. Pivot bearings have been moved from the frame outboard into the swingarm for a stronger, less flexy structure, as well as a revised cast steel bottom bracket/pivot/whatchamajiggy, also in the interests of strength and flex resistance. And an aluminum sleeve has been added to the seat-tube to ward off sticking seatposts.

Geometry is acceptably new skool; a 65.3 degree head angle with a 78.3 degree seat angle, 435mm chainstays and a 485mm reach on this size large test bike. My tester came built with a RockShox Zeb fork set to 150mm, which probably slackens the geo numbers by about a half degree, and an EXT Storia coil shock. Starling recommends coil instead of air shocks, in spite of the design looking to be very linear or maybe even slightly falling rate. The pivot location is an evolution of what was once upon a time referred to as a “high forward” pivot – slightly above and in front of the bottom bracket, about inline with a 32-tooth chainring, very similar to the position pioneered by the Santa Cruz Tazmon then copied by just about everyone trying to make a single pivot suspension bike that pedaled well. There's a nifty little chain guide built into the swingarm just above the pivot. This is about as good as it gets for single pivot designs, offering a relatively stable pedaling kinematic with minimal pedal kickback.

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Suitably modern geometry. I was kidding with that Steampunk reference earlier...

Suspicion/Bias

Having been fed a steady diet of (carbon) fiber over the past several years, I have experienced ride quality ranging from whippy and loose to stiff as a plank with the wonderweave. So I do not ever expect that a carbon fiber bike will perform a certain way ahead of time. But I have grown accustomed to large diameter tubing and big, stiff looking junctions between shock and frame, along with impressive looking large chunks of forged aluminum holding those stout looking pieces of frame together. So, to my carbon accustomed eye, Starlings look underfed. Skinny tubes, spindly seat stays, itty bitty shock mounts, teeny tiny swingarm braces that look more decorative than functional; there’s no way that a bike put together in such a primitive fashion using centuries old technology can be expected to have any degree of modern structural integrity, right?

And a single pivot? With a coil shock? Come ON, this isn’t 1996. That shit won’t fly anymore.

And then to go and overfork it with a freakin’ ZEB? This is gonna be a noodly bike that basically just wags around randomly behind that brute of a fork, blowing through its rear travel while at the same time hanging up on every square edged bump uphill or down, and attempting to justify a rear triangle that flexes so hard the tire rubs as some sort of traction/comfort benefit. And it’s heavy, too. Probably gonna suck.

That roughly sums up my thinking at first glance.

Refutation/Ride

“You know what happens when you assume things, mister Ferrentino,” my old woodwork teacher Frank Campbell said as he towered over me, speaking in that tone of voice he used to so masterfully convey jovial affability and menace at the same time; “You make an ASS out of U and ME.” I think this particular in front-of-the-class dressing down had something to do with my erroneous assumption that wood lathes spun at similar speeds to metal lathes, but it might have had something to do with me assuming that he was perhaps mellowing in his stance on corporal punishment. Either way, he was fond of that saying. And caning people.

Speaking of caning, holy shit! This bike is fun!

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Starling comes home to roost. The Twist is in its element when it comes to carving up flowy forest singletrack.

Take almost all that stuff I said above about suspicions and bias and just flush it. I found myself regularly riding confidently into drops and jumps that normally cause me to check up or balk, and stuffing the Twist harder into turns than I’ve stuffed anything for a long while. As far as the alchemy of frame geometry and chassis feel is concerned, Joe has hit a sweet spot with this bike. It is easy to get up to speed on, and a whole mess of fun to ride.

It isn’t flexy, at least not in the way that bugs me. Flex that bugs me can best be described as “yaw” – where you can push the handlebars in one direction and your hips in the other and feel the bike come out of plane along its top tube, or where you can look down as you pedal hard uphill and watch the rear wheel come out of plane compared to the seat tube. All bikes exhibit some amount of yaw, and we all have our personal feelings about what is acceptable here, but I am not generally a fan of either. I am happy to report that the Twist is deceptively taut in each of these areas. The front end stays very nicely in line, with very little deflection evident between bars and saddle, nowhere near what I was expecting to find. The rear end exhibits a little bit of deflection when you wind up hard on a standing climb, but, again, nowhere near what I was expecting. I suspect this really nice frame feel is achieved by using tubing with relatively thick walls, aided by those plate gussets. As to how he achieves such a well-behaved rear triangle, I have no clue.

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Old turkey, fresh stuffing...

This bike corners like a fiend. It is ridiculously fun to come into turns too hot and just stuff it into place. It has a really nice front/rear balance and is super comfortable to jump. I am “of a certain age” where jumping in general kinda makes me nervous. The Twist is an awesome bandaid in this area. Line it up, squish into the face, pop! The great big Zeb fork doesn’t push the frame around in any noticeable way, although there is some difference between how the fork ramps up and the rear suspension doesn’t, but we will get into that downstream. Suffice to say, as far as “manners” and “handling” go, I’m really impressed.

Let’s differentiate “handling” from suspension though. With regard to smoothing out the bumps, this is still a single pivot bike. And there are limitations as well as compromises at work here. First, setup: I weigh 180 at the moment, ready to ride. I was running the Zeb at 65psi with one volume spacer, compression all the way open, rebound about 12 clicks out. The EXT had a 450lb spring on it, and I barely put any preload into it at all, basically just enough to stop the spring from rattling on the collar, for 14mm sag. Rebound was 5 clicks out from closed, low speed compression 8 clicks out, high speed compression 10 clicks out. I never used the lockout lever.

With the above setup, the Twist pedaled well on flat, had a nice firm platform that didn’t bob, was relatively stable even when standing climbing, but at the expense of buttery smooth small bump compliance. If I backed off both the compression circuits, I could get to that super smooth small bump state, but it came at a notable cost to pedaling behavior in the form of bob and a loss of efficiency, including more noticeable pedal kickback when powering through roots or chunder. I opted for leaving it firm. Given that the Storia EXT employs a hydraulic bottom out circuit, I never felt it bottom hard, but it definitely moved through its travel differently than the Zeb. Pulling the volume spacer out of the Zeb helped a bit in this regard. This is the bugbear of single pivot designs – they can be made to work really well at one end of the bump absorption spectrum or another, but it is difficult to get the full across the board performance that more complex linkage designs can achieve.

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Let's see how that hydraulic bottom out works...

Buuuut, you only have to deal with two bearings. This is where the simplicity versus performance delta becomes very personal. For my part, I am plenty comfortable with a bike that maybe telegraphs a little more what is going on between the wheels and the ground if I don’t have to service a whole bunch of linkage components. I could live with this compromise. However, going back-to-back between the Twist and the similar-travel SB140 I’ve been testing, the difference is stark. The SB140 makes small stuff disappear, is completely indifferent to pedal inputs, and still ramps up beautifully when hitting things hard. It is a very big ask to expect similar compliance from a single pivot. It would be disingenuous to imply otherwise. But then again, you don’t need to spooge grease into your little Kashima dealiebobs every 20 hours on the Twist, because it doesn’t have any of that shit.

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I'm beginning to appreciate mullets. That extra bit of clearance comes in handy sometimes.

Who Are You?

Extrapolating ride characteristics out from the geezer zone that I call home, I’d say that the Twist will appeal to trail riders who like to carve turns, hit jumps, and have fun. People who hate futzing around with suspension settings and would prefer to just get on with riding will love it. Suspension performance purists will probably find the suspension behavior a bit “rustic.” Riders who have a daily diet of pedaly climbing chunder might struggle to hit the perfect setup. Really big riders who want to smash everything will probably want something more intentionally brawny. The Twist motors along just fine until the grade pitches up into the place where suffering happens. Then it doesn’t matter how steep the seat angle is; winching a 34 pound bike that has a little bit of pedal kickback in the rough uphill hurts a bit more than it will with other bikes. All of this is said with reference to riding the Twist in its shorter travel incarnation. At a wild guess, I’d say the longer travel version would still be a hoot to rip through a turn, would be a fair bit plusher everywhere, and might also be a bit more work to get up a hill.

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So long as you don't expect to set the world of KOMs ablaze, the Twist gets up hills just fine. It is composed, there's a good pedaling platform (aided here by healthy compression damping), and the geometry is spry. What pedal feedback there is falls in the "generally tractable" range. But on steeper and more grinding climbs you'll feel wattage sneaking away. It's no XC whip, but it's still a lot easier to get up a hill than most any idler wheel bike.

There’s no smoke and mirrors at work here. What you see is pretty much what you get. 2100 USD gets you a mostly handbuilt frame that will make you feel like a hero in a lot of situations. In today's hyper inflated bike currency, this is almost working class, on-par with, say, a very fun and capable Marin Rift Zone Carbon. Way less expensive than the high-zoot dentist bikes, and also more attainable than any number of custom steel handbuilt hardtails. US distribution is handled by Traillabs, and they can serve up a whole range of suspension and build options that will either stretch or rapidly burn the dollars in your wallet.

It’s not perfect. Not much is in life. The suspension works well enough for me, but I am willing to acknowledge it favors simplicity at the expense of absolute performance and I can willingly accept a few compromises there. The sole waterbottle mount location kind of sucks. Some people love big curvy monocoques and internally routed cables and will think this looks a bit too primitive.

The Twist is a very simple but well thought out tool that does its job deceptively well. It is an absolute blast to get loose with; I honestly haven’t had this much fun on a bike in a long while. It handles far better than I expected, and is absolutely worthy of consideration as mid-travel trail ripper. It “feels” really good. The fact that it is made by people who you can argue with via email, out of a material that is repairable and recyclable, in a place that isn’t China, that matters to me. I hate internally routed cables , I am growing tired of bikes that make funny noises that get amplified by carvernous frame sections, and I am a sucker for filet brazing. This’ll do just fine.

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After 30 years of a riding style widely referenced as "a monkey humping a football," this, if anything, should be your reason to buy a Starling: If an old kook like me who never, ever, boosts air, can not only get both wheels off the ground but can also display the embryonic hint of an attempt at body english, then think what a bike like this could do for YOU!

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fartymarty
+12 bushtrucker Mike Ferrentino Blofeld LAT Pete Roggeman Cam McRae shenzhe cxfahrer Vik Banerjee BarryW dhr999 mk.ultra

Way to send it Mike - that last photo is awesome.  

I'm glad you enjoyed the Koolaid flavour i've been enjoying for four years now.

And thanks for the great earworm.  I'm digging out Brighten The Corners as I type.

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mikeferrentino
+5 yardrec Muesliman fartymarty DanL Timinger

I was wondering who'd get that reference...

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mikeynets
+1 Timinger

I was rattled by your rush of words about this bike. BTW, is that trail "Shasta Gulch?" 

PS that last pic —  miles of style

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C.C.
+9 Karl Fitzpatrick Carlos Matutes R.bobbby Pete Roggeman Velocipedestrian Muesliman BarryW cedrico dhr999

What a refreshing review to read.  

Including a Suspicion/Bias section- check.

Identifying your own short comings regarding riding skill- check.  

Describing suspension setup and performance relative to your riding style and abilities- check.

Including banger print magazine photography- check.

Part II in the 165mm travel mode?

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R.bobbby
+8 Offrhodes42 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman BadNudes Cam McRae BarryW dhr999 mk.ultra

Prepare for incoming Starling fallacy fangirl / fanboy commentary..

I love everything about this review, and everything about my Swoop for all the reasons / compromises put forward.

Great review, and fantastic pics!

Edit ; "you don’t need to spooge grease into your little Kashima dealiebobs every 20 hours on the Twist, because it doesn’t have any of that shit.". Brilliant.

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andy-eunson
+8 Muesliman Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman fartymarty hardtailhersh Kos mk.ultra Tremeer023

I remember reading a while ago. Quite a few whiles ago about a new MotoGP bike that was built for a superstar rider. It was said to be a much stiffer frame than the previous iteration and the rider could not get a handle on it. They determined it was too stiff laterally. They figured when leaned over the lateral flex acted as a bit of "suspension" for the forces that went in a vertical direction. The stiff frame was getting deflected and bounced in corners whereas the old compliant frame was a smoother faster ride. Do you think that might apply with this bike? Compliance seems to be the new stiff in bike marketing and I do believe some of that compliance is bull shit. But still.

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mikeferrentino
+6 Pete Roggeman fartymarty Andy Eunson hardtailhersh BarryW lewis collins

The engineering that is going into designing lateral flex into motoGP swingarms is intense stuff. And, when dealing with 300ish horsepower being made to bend around turns at 60some degree lean angles, it is a very nuanced and heavily studied area of flex.

As for the Starling - Joe spends some time on the Starling website talking up the benefits of some lateral flex, they recommend coil over air shocks, and prefer wheels that are less rigid to wheels that are more rigid. So it's definitely a thing they consider worth pursuing.

Is lateral flex a handling benefit? I can't endorse a resounding yes across the board. I have ridden bikes in the past that were so squirmy they could not keep the wheels pointed straight, and were terrifying to ride. I have also ridden bikes that were comfortable, vaguely compliant, and handled like dreams. This gets really personal, and so much hinges on rider style, rider weight, rider power.

What I like about the Starling is that it is composed - so whatever flex there is comes across as a sort of "quietness" in the ride, along with playful manners. The front triangle does not feel nearly as flexy to me as many similarly intended carbon fiber bikes. The rear triangle contains its flex in a gentlemanly way.

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BarryW
+4 Mike Ferrentino Andrew Major Tremeer023 Andy Eunson

Might be slightly exaggerating at 300hp, it's closer to 260 hp nowadays.

It is interesting how motorcycle racing has gone back and forth from too flexy in the 70's to too stiff in the 90's and finally making a science out of lateral compliance where leaned over you get 'suspension' action from the frame and swingarm. It's interesting how much the bicycle storyline has been 'stiffer, stiffer!' And now we see some moving into tuned compliance.

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mikeferrentino
+1 BarryW

I shoulda fact checked myself there. I had "300kph" dancing around in my head and some residual "aren't they up around .3hp per cc now" wondering...

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Losifer
+7 Mike Ferrentino DanL Pete Roggeman BarryW Skooks toddball mk.ultra

Do I need a new bike? Of course not, my Knolly Chilcotin rides just great, handles the chunky New Mexico trails well, and holds up to the odd lift-assisted days at Pajarito and Angel Fire with aplomb.

But the feel and aesthetic appeal of steel tubes...

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mk.ultra
+1 Carlos Matutes

Steel is beautiful. I am still honeymooning with my Gen 4 Cotic FlareMax build months later.

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GiveitsomeWelly
+6 fartymarty Velocipedestrian Mike Ferrentino LAT Pete Roggeman mk.ultra

Great review (if only because I already drink that Koolaid flavour)!

I have a Marino full suspension that was custom built for its original owner before being seconded to me and fitting very well thank you very much. 

It's got a near enough to the exact suspension layout (however not identical tube junctions) so I feel like I can say I know where you're coming from when it's comes to Just Plain Fun. 

I'm also a long time hater of bike noise, maintenance and cleaning therefore the two bearings and not much else dealie is a reason that I'll likely buy a similar bicycle frame should this one give up at some point. 

A once a year rebuild with a liberal dose of Lanocote into all tube orifices is a maintenance schedule I can jive with.

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JPR
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Agree with everything you said about the Marino, I own two. A hardtail and a full squish. A great budget option and you get to design the exact bike you want.

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pbass
+4 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman BarryW dhr999

Awooga is this the editorial police. There is a reference to this bike early on as the "Swift". A vastly different small bird to a Starling

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mikeferrentino
+1 okiecalvin

Oh shit. Thanks for the catch...

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jt
+4 Pete Roggeman Karl Fitzpatrick R.bobbby HughJass

Another great read, Mike. As I read how you were gonna format the review I just thought, "Brilliant." Adding in preconceived notions should become the de facto standard for bike reviews. Such a killer way to create reader interaction.

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DaveSmith
+4 PowellRiviera Mike Ferrentino fartymarty BarryW

No lies or betrayals or fruit covered nails in this review...

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mikeferrentino
+4 fartymarty BarryW Dave Smith Timinger

#iseewhatyoudidthere

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fartymarty
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Nice Dave

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PowellRiviera
+3 Mike Ferrentino fartymarty Timinger

Nice Pavement reference.

Great review, sounds super fun

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papa44
+2 Velocipedestrian mk.ultra

As my knees have been deteriorating over the years I’ve been looking more and more at full boings and this and the cotic rocket max are on my wish list. Have you had a tickle on a rocket max? I’d love to know how you think they compare

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Offrhodes42
+1 mk.ultra

Cotic is also on my potential list. I need a size small. Unfortunately, that eliminates Starling right away with no love for us short people.

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phutphutend
+4 Muesliman BarryW mk.ultra Tjaard Breeuwer

At Starling we make a size small, but only in 27.5” Swoop.  This works much better in terms if balance and bar height for small sizes.

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R.bobbby
+1 BarryW

The Swoop comes in size S :)

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mikeferrentino
+1 papa44

I haven't swung a leg over any of Cy's bikes in a very long time, sad to report...

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dsc
+1 mk.ultra

The RocketMAX is interesting to me, too. For what it's worth, Blister has reviewed both the Murmur and RocketMAX this year and wrote a few sentences comparing the two. It's not the Twist, but you can probably apply the same general conclusions.

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YungSquab
+3 Pete Roggeman papa44 mk.ultra

I've been on the RocketMax G4 for almost a year and it's magical. I'd guess that it's a more a versatile bike than the Starling, but slightly less descent focused. As a 160/160 29r with a Kitsuma Coil left wide open, it puts my Transition Spur to shame as a highly supportive climbing and pedaling platform. It's probably not as deep and plush as the Starling on rough descents, but it has a very long and centered geo that really lets you hold speed in corners and dive into steep chutes. As a "ghetto mullet" without the recommended +1 head angle correction, the BB drops to around 332mm which is low, but manageable on shorter cranks. It's a very fast, winch and plummet park bike, but definitely less versatile than the 29r setup. Throwing on the recommended 170mm fork and +1 angleset would fix that by raising the BB a bit. Lastly, if you crash it, you might damage the mountainside but the RocketMax is nigh indestructible and will look no worse for the wear. Highly recommended.

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papa44
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Brilliant summary thanks. Does make me think I’ll probably have to end up with more than one bike though, I like a bit of winch and plummet but locally it’s all flat trails. I’ve got a befe max and second your comment about the indestructible nature of cotics steel frames

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Muesliman
+2 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman

Starling Twist owner here, but the longer travel version. Excellent review and absolutely love the awesome photos. I'd agree with everything Mike said although with a bit more travel at the back I find it soaks up the small bumps pretty well too. I figured very unscientifically that the extra travel at the back would help the smaller wheel get out of the way and match the rollover of the bigger front wheel. I also find it's an excellent technical climber even if it's not a rocket ship uphill, and it turns so easily.

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fartymarty
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Muesliman - Did you test ride a Twist / Murmur?  I wonder how they compare cornering.   The Murmur is good but I do have to "ride" the XL to get it around corners.

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Muesliman
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Hi Marty, no, never got a chance to but I was intrigued by the unexplainable mullet cornering witchcraft :) Going round the same corners as I did on my old 27.5 Capra, it just seems to turn on a tighter radius with a touch of natural oversteer.

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xy9ine
+4 Mike Ferrentino Andrew Major Muesliman dhr999

i loved the cornering characteristics of the (size large) murmur. owing primarily to it's balanced geometry (read: longer rc). felt it was better (especially in quick / dynamic corners & transfers) than my mulleted meta (which has same reach & similar angles, but 10mm shorter rc). though i prefer a linkage actuated shock, the geometry really shone on that bike (for me, anyways).

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DanL
+2 Carlos Matutes Pete Roggeman

Lovely writing, thank you for this and oh boy, this couldn't have been timed better. I'm currently deciding between this, the Murmur and the Chromag Lowdown which both come out close dollar for dollar for frame only+shock with the Murmur just a little ahead unless I go for EXT etc - but there's also the completely different suspension kinematics to take into account.
But being able to choose between 2 (3) superb examples of steel tubed, external routing, simple and beautiful sillhouette FS bikes isn't a bad spot to be in

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mk.ultra
+1 Carlos Matutes

I would add Cotic to that shortlist too

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UMichael
+2 Velocipedestrian Kos

Ok but if the cables go through that (gorgeous) head-tube gusset then they're internally routed to me.

Externally routed should mean I can remove my brakes without disconnecting the cables.

Otherwise yeah great looking bike

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mikeferrentino
+4 Muesliman Andrew Major dhr999 Mammal

True, the caliper has to come off to route the hose through the gusset. But at least the barb/olive/threaded hex/whatever doesn't have to be cut in order to get the damn thing out of the frame, which is often the case with internally routed hoses. So, I see it as orders of magnitude easier than internal routing in this regard. No hose cutting, minimal bleed hassle.

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phutphutend
+2 Velocipedestrian steelispossiblyreal

Or just route outside of gusset, sorted!!!

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Ride.DMC
+1 Mike Ferrentino

That front triangle doesn't look like it will accommodate a water bottle, despite of having mounts for one.  The commenters at Pinkbike are going to have a field day.

Mike, did you try to fit a bottle in there or will those mounts serve as gear straps only?

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mikeferrentino
+1 Carlos Matutes

I tried to mount a stainless King Cage, it hit the shock reservoir. Didn't try anything else.

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fartymarty
+6 Carlos Matutes DanL Pete Roggeman Kos Muesliman HughJass
Muesliman
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A King Cage fits nicely on an L. No problems getting a 750ml bottle in or out.

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mikeferrentino
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I suspect that depends on your choice of shock. With the Storia, my King Cage definitely contacts the reservoir.

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Muesliman
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Ah, true. That's with an Ohlins coil shock for reference.

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randomslowrider
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Twist Enduro size M here and 600ml fidlock doesnt fit.

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Mederizr
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Another Twist (Trail) size M here, I used a b-rad mount from Wolf Tooth and was able to fit a 22 oz bottle, but it's a super tight fit and my shock has no reservoir (Cane Creek IL coil)

kos
+1 Mike Ferrentino

"pioneered by the Santa Cruz Tazmon" .... Nice job with the Wayback Machine, Mr. Peabody!

How about a Z1 Coil on the front end of that bike? Not like a wee bit more weight matters......

But Lordy, any bike for me has to have room for a 1 L Zefal Magnum, so my wallet is safe.

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mikeferrentino
+1 Kos

Oh jeez, now that you mention it, wasn't the Santa Cruz tagline for the Tazmon then Superlight and Heckler "Simply Advanced"? I totally forgot that bit.

And yeah, I hear ya on the Magnum.

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BWildman
+1 Mike Ferrentino

This review is an absolute masterpiece Mike, thank you for crafting it so beautifully. 

I’m a lucky owner of a Starling Beady Little Eye and love the way it feels on the trail.

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KDix85
+1 mk.ultra

The Mix between 'Oh Lordy I better stick this' and Child-like wonderous joy on your face in that last shot really ties this whole review together wonderfully

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Koelschejung
+1 Muesliman

I've been riding a first generation custom built swoop for a few years now and I love it. No interest in a new bike, not only because the thing simply performs great, but also because it simply doesn't age as much as the plastic stuff from the Far East due to its timeless design. Btw, great review as always!

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Muesliman
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zeedre
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So you aren't going to try it in the enduro mode? Other review?

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mikeferrentino
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Not this time. At some point I had asked if they could send along a different shock and a 29" swingarm, but that didn't come to fruition in the window of time available. I won't rule it out down the line, though.

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zeedre
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It already has a zeb. Just lengthen it and find the right shock and let us know your thoughts. This reader would be quite curious.

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cedrico
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Awesome article!

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Bearlover
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Stack height on these bikes, including Cotics, are much too low. I had a Solaris Max with 45mm of spacers and 40mm rise bars to make things right. Looked a bit ridiculous and shortened my reach.

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mikeferrentino
+1 Muesliman

Horses for courses, I suppose, but what are you comparing to? The Twist has 10mm taller stack and a 10mm taller head tube than the same size Yeti SB140. 4mm taller stack than a Pivot Switchblade. About the same as an S3 Stumpy Evo in neutral/low geo setting. About the same as a large Devinci Troy. Personally, I felt I coulda dropped about 5-10mm out of the stem spacers on the Twist and would have enjoyed the front end feel even more...

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soreribs
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What did you think about the reach on this one? I've read the SB120 vs SB140 piece and the L Twist is 20mm longer than the M SB140. Do you think a Twist with 465-470mm reach would have fit you better or did the size Large feel spot on? Hard to say I know but anyway, thought I'd ask!

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mikeferrentino
+2 soreribs Muesliman

I think the 450 reach of the medium Twist would be on the short side for my tastes, so the large it is. Spot on? Hell, I don't know what that even is. Trying to nail geometry down into easily defined cause/effect brackets just by numbers alone can be vexing and loaded with assumptions. In this case, the super steep seat angle played pretty well with the 485 reach and worked well for me. I felt comfortable and only occasionally wished for something a hair shorter.

In a perfect world I would want a degree or so slacker seat angle, which would mean I'd want a tad less reach, as far as seated position is concerned, but then who knows how that would play with suspension kinematics and rear end dynamics. As it was, I really liked how it fit and handled - 5'9", 29.5" bb to saddle height.

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