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Squidworx Modular Flat Pedals

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I had a couple of things to overcome before I could put together a review of Squidworx's many-piece pedals, the first of which was the brand name. I know it's a very shallow thing to get caught up on it's just, well, it's hard to imagine anyone with any experience in the bike world wanting to boldly associate their product designers with Squids. Maybe it's too many years in the bike industry but to me, it's the equivalent of calling your company Joeyworx, or Fredworx, or Gumbyworx. It's like saying that these pedals were designed by the stoked, well-meaning, mountain bicycle enthusiast who just recommended you try a pair of Maxxis Ardents mounted backward for your next rubber purchase. Maybe it's meant to be ironic?

Then there's overcoming the turducken factor of their pedals. I love resin, plastic, composite, glass-nylon, whatever you want to call them, pedals. As different as they are, I'll take a OneUp or a WahWah2 composite pedal in a heartbeat. They're relatively inexpensive, they have sealed cartridge bearings, they ride well, and they hold up great. I also love nicely made machined aluminum pedals. Take a pair of silver Chromag Scarabs, maybe thread in some Dagga pins, rebuild them periodically, and ride them for life. I've never really been into the 'best of both worlds' bullshit when it comes to any product or manufacturing. Think, carbon-wrapped aluminum handlebars. Ugh.

But, and this is a mix-a-lot-level big-but, whether it's magnetic clip-in pedals or saddle tilt adjusters, or suspension grips, or whatever, I do think it's really amazing when someone has an interesting idea and then the combination of guts and gumption to see it through to saleable product. I romanticize overcoming that fear of failure and investing in one of my own ideas, someday. So here I am, happily riding a product I never would have considered if it came from a big company. I'm also thankful that Team Squid didn't go to the Troy Lee school of branding.

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Highly modular Squidworx pedals.

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Highly Modular Squids. Photo:IFHT

Who is Squidworx? A squad of riders from Pemberton doing the "by riders for riders" Cha Cha. Maybe I'm getting old and grumpy, maybe it's the 'rona blues, but I feel like that dance started getting annoying at least a decade ago. Anyone who thinks that all the big brands in bicycling aren't chocked full of riders designing the stuff they want to ride hasn't been paying attention.

Furthermore, it's a small design company committed to only offering products that they "think are substantially better than what's currently available." Oh, in case anyone is wondering, they also "think outside the box." And no, I'm not done being an asshole. I'm only going to mention their five-year limited warranty this one time because pumping your limited warranty against defects in manufacturing and materials for a mountain bike pedal is like celebrating the extended warranty on the paint job for a demolition derby car.

Now that I've got that out of my system... Here's an interesting modular pedal that's sold in three sizes, is easily rebuildable, and where the high-wear, high-contact, outer portions are available for replacement, in twelve different colours, for 5 CAD each. And they actually sell every small part individually, so the pedals better be damn good because there's really no excuse not to have them forever otherwise.

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The pin system is brilliant. Stainless steel pins thread into an aluminum center sleeve from both sides. The inboard center sleeves attach the cages to the pedal. Pins are available in 4mm and 5.5mm lengths (and also a 2.5mm length that's intended for commuting).

Modularity

The Squidworx pedals consist of an aluminum center body section, plastic outer cages, a bearing and axle assembly, and pin assemblies. Every single individual piece is available on their website for way less money than I expected. When I started thinking about how many pedals I've trashed over the last decade the whole thing started to make a bunch of sense.

I like the feel of resin pedals when I smack them on rocks. I don't love that the bodies are maybe good for one set of replacement guts. Squidworx gives me the fastest and easiest bearing/bushing replacement I've ever done on a pedal, with an included tool, and an aluminum body to house them. I don't love my resin or machined aluminum pedals once I can't get new pins into key spaces, Squidworx will sell me the cages for 5 CAD a pop, the alloy pin inserts for a buck, and pins in three different lengths for 75 cents apiece. For 20 CAD I can get a bearing and bushing rebuild kit that maybe constitutes a one beer job to swap if I'm doing both pedals and for 35 CAD I can get that kit and fresh axles.

The stainless steel pins thread into an aluminum sleeve which is also what binds the resin cages to the aluminum center. The cages are a bit time-consuming to swap and require a pair of 5mm wrenches or sockets to properly loosen and tighten. The pins come in 4mm and 5.5mm lengths and stacked onto the 12mm flat body, that's still a reasonable pedal width with either setup.

I'm currently riding a full set of 4mm pins except for my leading edges which are 5.5mm to create some concavity. Squidworx sells the pedals with a few different options for configurations - flat 4mm, flat 5.5mm, concave, or convex - and I instinctively went with a concave setup as, aside from my convex OneUp pedals, has always been my preference.

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The flat body measures 12mm thick and I'm running 5.5mm pins on the outsides and 4mm pins everywhere else for a concave setup. Note the guts are single-sided entries.

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I'm on the medium cage option (108mm x 97mm) which is available with 12 different colours of cages. The small (98mm x 97mm) and large (116mm x 105mm) are black only.

My medium pedals measure 108mm x 97mm which is, it turns out, quite a bit smaller than my baseline pedal, the OneUp Composite, at 115mm x 105mm. Maybe due to the convex v. concave shapes but underfoot they don't feel that much smaller to me. So, I had a couple of my friends with flipper feet who also ride the OneUp pedals rip around and they remarked that the medium Squidworx' felt on the small side to them. It's interesting because I know folks with feet ranging from a size 36 to a size 46 that love the OneUps but find other pedals too big or too small.

Unfortunately, at this time, Squidworx is not offering the larger size pedal bodies in colours. I can change the colour of these mediums to match any bike for a $10-$20 investment but my large footed friends are stuck with black. The small size, also only available in black, is also a bit strange to me. It's significantly larger than a true kids' pedal like the Chromag Radar but not smaller enough than the medium body that I think I would have even bothered manufacturing it.

Colour aside, I would really like to try the large Squidworx arrangement with the pins setup convex if only to investigate a more apples-to-apples comparison with the OneUp. And I easily can; since they share bodies it would only cost me a twenty and some pin-swapping time to do it. I'm not saying with my size 43 shoe that I should be on a large, because I've gotten along well with the medium, it's just something I'd like to try.

If I was buying a pair of Squidworx pedals tomorrow, I'd go with the silver centerpiece option rather than the black. I know the black looks better out of the box but a couple of years down the road when it comes time for a full refresh that black center section is going to look punched compared to some pristine cages. A silver body, like choosing silver for high-end machined pedals, will look best in the long run.

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A pair of 5mm wrenches or sockets could prove a bit of a PIA to track down as it turns out. Anyone planning to swap cages should own a set as it's an easy but time consuming job to pay a shop to do.

These pedal guts load in from one side, just like a Shimano clip-in pedal, but I think the design is excellent both in concept and execution. I mean, you could certainly do a lot worse for an axle design than R&D'ing from SPD. They could have gone a step further and made the system compatible with Shimano's TL-PD40 tool so any shop would be ready to rock after the pedal purchaser loses their little included service wrench and wants help swapping bearings. But hey, they include the little wrench which is slick. The Squidworx tool is oh, so, close to being the same interface as the Shimano tool.

The thread-in bushing has a massive insertion depth relative to most flat pedals so there's both more support for the axle and it's harder for crap to get inside during our wet and grainy winter riding months. As much as they are an investment at 160 CAD a pair I'd suggest these have the potential to be the ultimate year-round commuter bike pedal.

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The little wrench is included with your pedals. It's beyond basic to take this wee beasties apart for a clean and lube or to replace the guts.

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The modular axle, bushing, and bearing assembly are threaded in from the inboard side. The pedal is solid on the outboard end.

Seasons

Coming back to the idea of testing the larger body option with a convex setup, the one place my baseline pedals dominate Squidworx is on wet greasy rides where I'm testing smooth-bottomed shoes. Even with the 5.5mm pins installed they aren't as sharp as the vicious little units on my OneUps. I have it on good authority that they do great in the wet with the full-on Five Ten Stealth S1 rubber but I don't have anything that sticky on my shoe rack. I had my best results with Shimano's GR7 and the Leatt 2.0 shoes where the landscape of the tread could best lock in the pins. In drier conditions, it wasn't even an afterthought, but I like to be able to move my feet around on my pedals and adjust my position a bit while I'm riding.

Certainly, even in the worst conditions the pedals never felt scary the way some combinations of shoes and pedals can become the most challenging aspect of a ride. They just required a bit more thought, and downforce, than other pedals I use. To be completely fair as well, my only truly angsty traction moments were going uphill, on my single speed, where it's not always possible to properly load my feet into the pedals and execute whatever body English is required at the moment. While I'll never understand why more people don't ride #1FG, I understand it won't be an issue for the infinite majority of readers.

If Squidworx was my brand I'd ditch the small platform size, introduce colours in the large platform size, and add a fourth pin option with smaller diameter 'sharper' teeth. It would be worth it to have to replace the odd pin more often in exchange for a grip upgrade. I have yet to truly damage a 4mm or 5.5mm pin and that's actually quite weird for me on a pair of pedals at this point in our relationship.

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The weight of the Squidworx system is actually very reasonable when factoring in the modularity and the awesome axle system.

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The OneUp Composite is my baseline for all pedal testing. It's a hard choice to beat for grip, value, and even longevity.

Climbing or descending, support is as I'd expect from any flat pedal. While I usually ride larger bodies, I think the ample surface of the Squidworx, may help in this regard. The set of pedals includes one extra, black cage along with some extra inserts and pins but to date, they're just lost in a drawer, or maybe on my tool bench and I don't suspect I'll need them.

The bearings, and bushings, still spin perfectly without play and I suspect that Squidworx will rival any pedal on the market in this regard. I checked the axles after my first trio of rides and both sides were tight. Actually, aside from brands chasing every nanometer of thickness, I don't understand why this Shimano-esque axle design isn't in mass use. I can't see any negatives other than product cost, and at 165 CAD | 130 USD the Squidworx pedals come in well under many high-end flat pedals.

And that's the upfront cost. There are two types of riders and folks always seeking the new-new won't necessarily be served by excellent small parts available and support or the long-term serviceability and updateability of the Squidworx platform. Mountain bikers or commuters, who love to brag about how long they've been running the same part will be hard-pressed to come up with a better option for their pedal needs.

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The medium body still delivers a fair amount of real estate but I would like to try the large just for comparison. It's about a 15% increase in size.

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I have yet to damage a pin with my 5.5mm and 4mm concave setup. It would be awesome if Squidworx had a narrower, sharper, pin choice, even if it sacrificed durability.

Back to value. Any one could easily change the bearings in the Squidworx pedals with no special tools beyond the little wrench that's provided, so the added cost of replacing the bearing-bushing kit is just bit of grease. The pedals are proving so well-sealed thus far I actually wonder how long they'll go before they need anything beyond a periodical clean & grease job which is never going to take more than a beer to complete.

Swapping pins is a bit time consuming but they're so well supported that when I do eventually sheer a couple off, I doubt I'll need to do anything beyond replace them. Even if I do damage the cage, or if I decide I don't like purple anymore, it's significantly less of an investment to replace all four cages than even the cheapest rideable composite pedals I've used. They have an expanding dealer network as well which is nice. I always like to handle contact points before purchasing products.

It turns out that, between the potential for longevity and awesome axle system, it was pretty damn easy for me to overcome the turducken factor. I still wince a bit at the name. All the same, for 165 CAD | 130 USD, I think they're absolutely worth checking out at Squidworx or a stocking dealer.

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craw
+7 Grif Konrad Andrew Major mrbrett tashi Derek Baker Tremeer023

No this is Patrick.

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AndrewMajor
+1 Cr4w

Had to Google that one. Now wondering what percentage of NSMB.com readers are also Spongebob devotees?!

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RAHrider
+4 Andrew Major Pete Roggeman Andy Eunson Nologo

This is the best review I have ever read of a bike product. I don't, nor will I ever ride a flat pedal on a mountain bike and therefore couldn't care less about the content of this review but after reading the first paragraph, I was hooked. I read the whole thing to the end based on your grumpy commentary concerning niche mtb marketing. Great writing.

Now in regards to the product, I have yet to destroy a pair of xtr pedals despite ramming them continuously into any and everything on the trail for over a decade - mic drop.

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AndrewMajor
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HAHAHAHA. Thank you!

But, in terms of the XTR pedals, you need to try harder. I've been assaulted twice by fully-failed XTR pedals and have seen lots of blown-sloppy examples aside from my own. Or, potentially, you have a pair of f***ing unicorns in which case I'd buy a set of extra axle/bearing assemblies just to be sure you never have to use them.

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RAHrider
+3 Andrew Major Pete Roggeman Nologo

The only logical explanation to your issues with xtr pedals is........ rider error #longlivelooseballbearings

In all seriousness though, the article was really great. Keep em coming.

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AndrewMajor
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Hahahaha. 

Cheers!

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pete@nsmb.com
+1 Andrew Major

1. I share Andrew's disdain for 'by riders for riders'. It makes me cringe every time.

2. I share your love for XTR clipless pedals. I've ripped a few axles out (Shimano will cover that issue if it ever occurs) but otherwise you just can't destroy them and they keep working despite all kinds of abuse.

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Larrabee
+3 Andrew Major Cr4w Pete Roggeman

Thanks for this. The number of hours required to develop something like these flats and bring them into production at a competitive price must be staggering. 

Thanks to this review, I know they exist. And I’d put them high on my list for future pedals. 

Nerding out: when I built up my Starling Murmur, I chose the cheapest Crank Bros plastic Stamp pedals. 

After a year, my first pair looked like they’d been swallowed by a wood chipper. Or used in a shotgun shootout.  Now, I’m able to miss most rocks, roots, and stumps. 

An easy mod on my Stamps: replace the M3x10mm carbon steel socket head cap screws with 12mm ones. Much better grip. 

I learned by accident that grade 12.9 screws snap off although not too easily. Grade 8.8 are more ductile and fold over and/or rip a chunk right out of the pedal’s platform. For my putposes: grade 12.9 FTW. 

PS:  I learned here what “turducken” is — once I Googled that. Thanks for a great article.

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AndrewMajor
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Cheers; thank you for engaging! 

I don't have an issue with the 5.5mm length pins, or my mix of pins, I'd just like them to be sharper like the OneUps. I didn't come across anything, in an albeit quick search, that would be a 'sharper' replacement for the stock Squidworx pin system. 

I agree I'd rather have my pins snap and leave the pedal intact than bend and crack/flake (depending on material). 

An addendum to my comment above in reply Shoreboy, the sort of person that buys a full suspension bike, like a Murmur, with the intention to service it and evolve it over years rather than replace it before it's due for its first suspension service is absolutely the market for these pedals.

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Larrabee
0 Andrew Major RaleighC

Andrew,

Murmur owner back agin here. (Larry in Kingston, soon to be on southern Vancouver Is.). 

Only minutes after reading your review, I was on the Squidworx site, and a few seconds later: adding goodies to my cart. 

I ordered (4) spare plastic platforms, a pair of bearing rebuild kits and spare pins. Sideshow Bob size  

(Truly) The sharpness of the SquidPins doesn’t look very acute. Some time chucking them in the crudest of lathes (or drill chucks) and machining (read; grinder or file) should sharpen them. 

I had a few email back-and-forths w/ Rich* at SquidHQ.  Seems like a great guy. Tenacious certainly: he was all set to do business 2 weeks before the first 2020 lockdown. And yet he has kept das Squid alive. 

*Richard Bedford  

Having Canadian startups like his delight me no end. 

I hope he has good patent protection. His product seems ingenious — like not having to buy a tire fused to a rim. 

Another commenter noted: “best product review ever” and I concur — included the first part, which borders on Fringe Fedtival Gold!

Thanks a million. I never would have known…..

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AndrewMajor
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Cool; let me know how you enjoy them.

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4Runner1
+2 Andrew Major kcy4130

I’m always entertained and shocked at how deep you guys get into parts. I guess I’m more of a get it and forget kinda rider. OneUp composite for me until the end of time.

Oh yah, that name. Wow. Almost as bad as DYED Bro (and the Stevie Smith edition). 

Having spent many years on motorcycles, no way would I ever purchase something named Squidworx. 

Great article, Andrew!

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AndrewMajor
+1 4Runner1

Thank you!

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Ripbro
+1 Andrew Major

Cool product. Sounds like a great, albeit expensive, pedal for growing groms. Kids feet change so drastically over a few short years, and they would love the colours.Looks like a well designed product that with a few small changes that you mentioned, would work for most riders.

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AndrewMajor
+1 Zero-cool

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the small isn’t close to small enough to serve well in the application. Actually, as noted, the small is so close in size to the medium I’d suggest they ditch that size.

To date the Chromag Radar is far and away the best kids option I’ve seen. The secret to take it from being an expensive pedal to a high-value investment is to start ‘em young! 

I’m guessing my daughter will have around a decade on hers before she needs the next size of pedal.

All that aside, they’re a great system and with the small parts availability they have the potential to deliver awesome long term value albeit at an upfront cost. Though they are less money than many premium pedals.

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shoreboy
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Less money than many premium aluminum pedals, but the most expensive composite pedals?

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AndrewMajor
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I don't know that it's fair to compare the price to any composite pedals. I love my OneUp Composites and WahWah2 Composites but they are really both throw-away products. I might get one bearing change out of them before the bodies are really done (bearing seats or pin seats usually). 

With it only being $5 per section ($20) to replace the composite sections on the Squidworx pedals and with the bearing/bushing system being so simple to swap I can actually envision riders having these pedals for years. Not only are the pins well supported but the entire pin assembly is replaceable and the sections that house the outer pins (that tend to take the most damage) are replaceable as well. 

I think if I was Squidworx I would nuke most my marketing copy and present these as the highest long-term value pedal option on the market under real regular usage. That would be a claim that's difficult to argue against.

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Timer
+1 Andrew Major

The Chromag Synth might also fall into this category. Every part is replaceble, including the composite body. You could buy all the parts and assemble them yourself if you wanted to. I think they are shaped like the Scarab, which is a pro in my book.

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AndrewMajor
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That’s interesting, it must be something they added recently? I see Black bodies are the only option currently but certainly that’s something to keep an eye on as/when inventory returns to normal. 

I do wonder how many folks would take advantage as there’s more involved with swapping bearings with the Chromag but that’s still cool to see them offering it. 

Generally my axles are still good when my composite pedals die but rarely pins or bearings so I don’t know if it would present the same value to me as the Squidworx.

cheapondirt
+1 Andrew Major

I previously wrote these off for the name and gimmick factor but after reading your review I like them better. Now the thing holding me back would be the price (even though the value seems to be there). They bear contemplation for when my oneups wear out.

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AndrewMajor
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They have a lot of potential in terms of delivering value. I'm in the same boat with the composite OneUps. The last time I wore them out I bought another pair. Mine seem to last about a year and it's the same for the WahWah2.

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creatureofthedeep
+1 Andrew Major

Could that little wrench also be used to remove the spindle on a Shimano pedal? I've only ever seen the annoying plastic tool that requires a wrench to turn it. This wrench looks like a far better solution.

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AndrewMajor
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No, they’re very slightly different sizes. I took an overlapping photo for this piece but it didn’t turn out.

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tashi
+1 Andrew Major

While the pricing and availability of the parts is currently great, my cynical side says that the price will go up and availability will drop over time. 

Companies fail, products get changed, old proprietary replacement parts stop being produced (often because there’s no demand, mountain bikers overall seem to like buying something new over rebuilding old stuff), and at some point they’re going to want to get some money for manufacturing/sourcing the replacement parts. Those prices are great, but I doubt there’s much margin being made there and no company can keep that up unless it’s a very effective loss leader. End result?  Your “lifetime” product is now a worn out mess just like all the other pedals. 

IMO if you want a “lifetime” product, look for one that uses off the shelf consumables (bearings and pins in the case of pedals) and suuuuuuper durable proprietary parts. Preferably from a very well established company.

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AndrewMajor
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HAHAHAHA, and I sell myself as being cynical as f***!

I disagree though. I look at these pedals, and the investment that went into making them (money, energy, and self) and I see ###### Bikes as being a prominent example of a similar situation. There is obviously adequate access to capital and there is simply too much energy invested in the product for it to fail. Also, and in my opinion, a differentiator, the pedals are actually pretty damn good and offer unique selling features.

Generally, I agree with you 99%, but I'll put an Elizabeth down that the company (under Squidworx or another, better, brand name) is supporting these pedals a decade from now.

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tashi
+2 Andrew Major 4Runner1

Sure, I’ll put $20 2031 dollars against being able to get replacement parts at a reasonable price from them in 10 years.  As someone who’s grown up being fed by what was once a startup business I can’t bring myself to bet on the company failing though. 

I should be clear: I don’t expect the pedals to “fail”. I expect them to sell, be improved, and parts availability for the original models to drop off and increase in price.

Actually, I kinda do expect them to fail. Too many parts in a super abusive location. The pedals that last tend to be very simple IME. But hey, that’s the kind of thing everyone says whenever a game changer hits the market. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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AndrewMajor
+1 tashi

I could see small parts pricing going up especially if they add colours and sizes. I could also see them going to a Chris King model where there are a few always colours and then limited runs - assuming the pedals catch on.

I could also see different shapes of cages - like truly concave and convex cages - which could add cost. But I’d doubt we’ll see a full redesign because the basic system is solid.

The removable cages are an added level of complexity but the pin system is actually really simple and I don’t foresee it developing slop if everything’s kept tight. I can see people braking cages with direct hits - I see if with composite and aluminum pedals from time to time - but… $5 replacements.

The only real write-off mode I considered was if the pins were loose and the rider managed to leverage the main pedal body open. But even then it could probably to forced back to shape with a vice or replacing one body isn’t a huge cost either - at least for now. 

Let’s check back in 2031 :-)

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shoreboy
+2 Andrew Major mnihiser

No worries about the galvanic corrosion between the aluminum sleeve and stainless pins? Riding these in the dirt/mud/slop would be the ideal environment for this.

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AndrewMajor
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Yeah, zero. I've never come across a pair of aluminum pedals / steel pins that weren't easily separated with a bit of brute force and ignorance and these all have a healthy layer of Loctite to boot. 

Even in the worst cases of aluminum shafts running through steel bearings with no grease and very poor maintenance history, that stuff always comes apart. The only exception I've come across has been aluminum seatposts fully seized in steel frames - every once in a while no amount of heat, penetrant, etc will break them loose.

Larrabee
+1 Andrew Major

One could be Über-fastidious and put Loctite 567 pipe sealant where dissimilar corrosion appears likely. 

I use it on threaded bottom brackets and pedal threads (for 22 years). It cures anaerobically. When “set” is like dried toothpaste; a little lower durometer maybe. 

It’s lower strength than purple Loctite (#222) and ideal for places with large interface areas, as it’s not a chore to disassemble parts goobered up with 567.  It contains Teflon.

Shoreloamer
+1 Andrew Major

Can you exchange the outer parts to make the platform wider or longer ?  Or does it just provide different color options?

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AndrewMajor
+2 Greg Bly mnihiser

Hi Greg, that’s buried in there. There are three platform sizes and medium was tested. Large and Small are just available in black. 

They all use the same bodies and just the cage size changes.

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sAFETY
+1 Andrew Major

I got an early set of these pedals and after an astounding amount of riding on them I've been really impressed by their durability, they look about as old as most pedals do in a week.  In the same amount of time I would have normally replaced 20-30 pins on my Chromag Scarabs (current reigning champs for metal pedals IMO), but I didn't have to replace a single one with the Squidworx.  And I am NOT easy on pedals.

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AndrewMajor
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I hate to do this, but I think I could argue the NSB Daemon is a step up from the Scarab. The secret is to go silver and then you really have to look closely to see any wear/damage.

Agree on the Squidworx pins though. It's bizarre they're all still in place and looking tough. I'd just give up a bit of that durability for a sharper interface.

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Larrabee
+1 Andrew Major

I’ll grind mine sharper and report back. 

As I consider myself a squid (and I bought a new 1972 CZ-125 before I turned 16… only a squid would buy one of those), I just had to buy a set. They’re on the way.

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