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Deniz and Karin's Desert Adventure

MegaVolt 2023 Event Recap

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MEGAVOLT 2023

It feels like it was just a year ago when Megavolt 2022 swept through the neighbourhood and left a lasting impression, meeting and riding with friends old and new when the event was at its infancy. We rode pedal bikes with motor assist around the Cowichan Valley trails. Not motor bikes, not mopeds, nor scooters. There were 50 or so of us men of various fitness levels and 4 women who had to navigate the E-MTB charged testosterone trains. The past 2 Megavolts had an industry feel to them. Trying to sort the kinks out of the new event is best done with people who have attended many of these things over the years. This year there was a change in the air. The venue, weather, format, bikes and of course the attendees.

A couple of weeks before the event date of June 2nd, I reached out to Andreas Hestler, a long time partner of BC Bike Race and Rocky Mountain Bicycles, to see how many female participants they were expecting. A definite number wasn't available at the time so I did the sensible thing and signed my partner Karin up for the event.

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Naramata Town Center

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Race village setup in the perfect lawn of the community center

Karin is not anti E-MTB, but she doesn’t trample me out of the way to reach for the Canyon Spectral:ON we have in our household to go for a ride. She loves to pedal and rarely shuttles. She has done a few endurance MTB XC events like the BCBR, Merritt Crown and Test of Metal in the past. She can ride all day given the correct amount of snack breaks and promised views. She has occasionally mentioned her interest in low weight/power e-mtbs for general riding.

To be honest, I didn’t know exactly what to expect from this years Megavolt. There were chants about how it was not a race we were embarking upon but more of a journey through the woods. Get a couple of race addicts together and there will be a race. We rode so hard for 3 days we wrecked our bikes and bodies and I didn’t get any riding shots. That was a fail on my part. It is easy to get caught up in the need for uphill speed and max my heartrate out in situations like this. I had planned to play a different game this year. I figured If Karin, who hasn’t ridden E-MTBs all that much, is along I could hang back with her and get some nice scenic shots in the process. Could I turn this into a work vacation for us? I wished and hoped and realised. I needed to secure not one but two bikes for us to ride. The Canyon Tester was to head back to the motherland shortly after the trip into the Interior of BC. Naramata to be exact.

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Karin climbing the moto tracks and figuring out the technique needed to maintain traction

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Things get steep when it involves megavolt

It wasn’t too difficult to convince Canyon the bike was originally planned to be ridden at last year's event. It could still be ridden at this year’s but the search for another E-MTB in my size was going to be difficult. Pete Roggeman kindly offered his personal bike at the last minute. The XL Trek Rail had all the right ingredients to make it work for the event but the XL felt like I was steering a teeter totter. When we arrived in Naramata, a unique part of Okanagan and British Columbia landscape, we were stunned by the beautiful setting we were greeted with. Sure the wineries and farms and fancy homes were expected along Okanagan Lake but the low key, and rather humble Naramata, hidden under the weeping willow trees was a sign of great times to come.

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Our Camp setup under big shady trees. Sasha was in dog paradise

The Naramata Center that welcomed the 2023 Edition of Megavolt was a former boarding school and Christian camp. You can read about Naramata's interesting history here. Lucky for us and the children who’d be sent there, it now operates as a touristic camp grounds and cabins to rent. Anything from creekside tent-only zones to full RV hookups, the Naramata Center has a unique feel that reminds you of a small village rather than organized camp grounds. There are streets, communal buildings, residential homes and massive willow trees you can park under for the weekend. Since we were rolling in our Van and needed to charge bikes and battery banks, we opted for a plug-in camp spot that was pet friendly. Before I even finished parking, a friendly Travis Hauck from Nelson jumped out to greet me in the friendliest manner. So friendly that I had to dig in hard to remember if we had met before. We hadn’t. A good sign. We were friends with people before we even met them. The race village was setting up at a relaxed pace, on the big grass field of the community centre. Brands were on on board this year to make sure it was indeed a gathering that should be supported going forward. Dean Payne of BC Bike Race is no stranger to putting on events that attract 600+ participants but is the E-MTB event in the middle of nowhere worth investing time for a company that sells in the big cities?

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Parker from Orbea USA did enjoy himself despite this photo suggesting otherwise

Naramata is in the foothills of a trail network called the Three Blind Mice. A maze of ups and downs on punchy climbs that seems to clone themselves around every corner. The landscape is hard to make landmarks off of and seems the same, yet different around every corner. It was the 90s when young and energetic James Wilson and Kurt Flamman put their heads down and seats up to map out an extensive trail network as they punched in new lines over every rock formation. Today a few years older, not wiser, I found them prepping their new rides at their camp as a walked around admiring the town.

Hug were given and smiles were thrown frothing at the weekend ahead. They knew what we were about to experience on the trail, perhaps a little relieved from having to meat pedal it under the early summer heat. James had brought a spare bike with him as he owns a local North Vancouver Bike shop Obsession:Bikes and would agree to lend me a 2022 Scott Patron 920 in medium. Score!

Unique in design and approach, I was curious myself as to how this platform with the clocked motor and hidden shock would perform. A Bosch Performance CX Gen4 motor and 160mm travel front and back;I figured I was in good hands riding the unknown jank that was waiting for us.

Bikes charged, snacks prepped for the first ride of the event that was planned to start at 3.30pm

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North Shore Betty had an absolute blast all weekend

The consistency enduro was a 3 lap ride of a shorter course that would favour a person who could keep their lap times as tight as possible. Karin was confused and pleased with this discovery knowing that she didn’t have to go full out on the first ride after a 3 hour drive. She could learn the bike, the terrain and the crowd and use this as an opportunity to ease into the experience. I was planning to set myself up on the looped course and take as many photos as I could with a gorgeous lake backdrop. Win win win

We were told that the timing system had a bug that couldn't be sorted out which was well received by the majority of people. If we didn’t have to race, we could just ride!

The trials moto zone we were riding in for the day was sandy and would have been impossible to ride under human-only power. But with 90 to 108Nm of torque strapped to our bikes it was a comedic challenge watching people attach the climbs. Nobody rushed each other and instead cheered on if a friend made the climb that they dabbed on.

I began to realize this was for some, the first eMTB ride ever they'd embarked on. The electrified courage gave the 10+ women and 60+ men, the push to try a bigger gathering like this. Generally occupied by men, events under the race umbrella can be intimidating for just about anyone, let alone an E bike first timer.

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Tania on the Husqvarna Enduro bike

Karin enjoyed the recon lap she did with me and our friend Tanya and as I set up camp at the top of the hill for some photos, she kept doing more laps faster and faster each time.

Back at the trailhead, the crew had hauled the coolers full of cold ones and let our injured Geoff Gulevich to guard them. He didn’t put up much of a fight to keep you out of the coolers, and many refreshments later it was time to roll down to the camp for a swim in the lake in the name of showers.

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Dean Payne and Kurt Flamman , jammin'

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Gully melting the ice and enjoying the crowd

On Day 2 the timing problems were sorted. Having bagged a ton of fun miles and photos the day before, I figured this might be a good opportunity to actually let the muscles and the skills loose a little. Many wore the same thinking cap. Bikes prepped and bodies rested, we prepared for a 70km day on the saddle with two big rides. One in the morning and one in the afternoon with a mid-day recharge. In retrospect padded liners would have been a good idea. As we got ready for our course briefing, we were told to follow the flagging. The stories back at the race camp after a gruelling 36km tech and flow fest was that the taping was not as clear as it should have been. Many people deviated off the track and took different trails to the finish. Some had to backtrack for tens of minutes but most managed to stay close to the original track. Confused and understandably frustrated, we voiced our opinions about this manner. The crew immediately went on the track and fixed the taping and reinforced the turns for the second half of the day.

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Carmel and Karin after a day of playing in the dust

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Pasta Joe Valoroso on the tight singletrack

Mid day swims and naps set our minds straight and we attacked another 36km course through the Three Blind Mice Trail network. I was happy with my performance and arrived at the finish corral in the head group. I knew Karin wouldn’t be too far behind me as she got along with riding eMTBs fast in the desert right away. My wait got longer and longer and I decided to head back down to the camp. At camp I saw a sad looking Karin who had crashed mere minutes from the finish line. With the media crew chasing her she let it all out and clocked 30+km/h on the open grassy singletrack. A villain of a rock hiding in the tall grass caught her pedal and sent her cartwheeling down some of the worst surfaces you can crash on. Her hand was sore but her head was intact. She wouldn’t be riding the next day.

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Lorenzo was loving these singletrack slabs

Bandages and pain killers were consumed and we settled in for a panel discussion involving many of the brand representatives at the race camp. The open discussion was lengthy and biased in my opinion. There were many predictions that eMTB would be the future of the sport and how they will bring many riding groups and classes together. With the price of admission for the bikes and events, I thought this was a bit of an unrealistic approach to the matter at hand. Both Andreas Hestler and James Wilson had great comments from their experience in marketing and selling bikes for the last 20+ years. Pointing to the fact that a $10,000 bike is not inclusive and parts on these bikes are still mountain bike parts designed to be lightweight. Drivetrains needed to be stronger and tires needed to be tougher. It will take another decade before the technology trickles down and eMTBs become more affordable by the people who may need them the most. It also seemed like many of the participants also rode motos as their other two wheeled transportation, whether for adventure or on the track or trails. eMTBs gave them the closest experience in comparison that they can have from their doors. Even though we were at a primarily eMTB event, I wanted the crowd to discuss bikes in general. Perhaps as the event evolves from industry participants to consumers these conversations will become less biased.

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We also had a beautiful Strawberry Full Moon on display

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The after after party around the firepit

The people who rode an e-bike for the first time came away with a pocket full of experience and a new born confidence to attend and ride at a fun, low pressure event like this.

I wondered if owning an eMTB is absolutely necessary to participate in the upcoming Megavolts. Many people who ride hard and can shred on an eMTB do not own one. Either by choice or due to the price of admission. If Megavolt can figure out a system where the participant can sign up for the event and secure a rental bike that’s waiting for them at the race village, the participation will rocket through the roof. For the customer-hungry bike manufacturer, this is the ticket to getting people on the saddle with low commitment. I imagine many will start saving up for one after 3 days in Naramata Three Blind Mice trail network. Test Rides are mandatory!

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Riders letting off the brakes, but don't get distracted by the views!

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There is some elevation to be found around Naramata, this stage took us nearly to 1300 meters

The BCBR team knows how to put a good event together and I hope this event can graduate from an industry weekender to an international festival with a wide spectrum of participants. The location is perfect and the megavolt team is top notch. I would love to see various ride options instead of a mass start race format.

Poker rallies, adventure rides, races, skills comps and everything in between to choose from for your day would be absolutely amazing. Hopefully the formats will evolve in the next few years because I can not wait to get back to Naramata.

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BarryW
+1 finbarr OldManBike Joseph Crabtree Vik Banerjee alhoff XXX_er 4Runner1 dhr999 Nick Maffei

Less motors, more pedaling please. 

I'm here for the bicycles, not the motorized category.

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XXX_er
+1 4Runner1 dhr999 Joseph Crabtree

yeah so then why do you read all the articals about e-bikes ? In case you havent noticed  no body is listening to you, also the NSMB direction is MORE articals on E-bike not less

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BarryW
+4 finbarr OldManBike Velocipedestrian Joseph Crabtree Vik Banerjee alhoff 4Runner1 dhr999

I actually don't read the articles, just want to keep banging the drum that these are not bicycles. They are motorcycles no matter the legal definitions. 

Human powered sport is special, and we all bought into that sport. This is light duty motorcycling. Fun, but for a different publication and user group. Combining these things isn't making mountain biking better, it's a new version of motorized recreation.

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XXX_er
0 dhr999 Joseph Crabtree

And still nobody cares except to tell you nobody cares, have you thot  about finding soemwhere that is more  pure to grace with your holier than tho precense ?

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4Runner1
+1 XXX_er dhr999 Joseph Crabtree

Everyone heard you the first few times. We get it. Move on to the next. Nobody forcing you to read or comment.

So. Tiring.

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BarryW
0 alhoff dhr999

But still you were nice enough to reply, thanks!

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AndrewMajor
+4 Cr4w Velocipedestrian Vik Banerjee Nick Maffei

Barry, at the risk of getting flamed from both directions, by the end of ‘22 SRAM says 50% of Eagle drivetrains sold shipped on e-bikes.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect many businesses, whether magazines like Pinkbike or NSMB, or bike brands, or bike shops to ignore that trend. 

I think NSMB deserves credit for supporting writers, like myself, who choose to only produce meat-bike content. Take that with whatever amount of salt you need to flavour my clear bias.

On the other hand, the bicycle is one of humankind’s simplest and most beautiful inventions and in turn the mountain bicycle an amazing toy for human-powered adrenaline and exploration alike.

Clearly an e-bike, whether it’s motor-assisted-pedaling like the Fuel EXe or pedal-assisted-motoring like many of the throttle-optional machines on the market, is not the same thing. 

I don’t think it should be an issue for you to raise that point politely as often as you like in the same forums that brands like Specialized started pushing “It’s You, But Better.”

Just recognize that you’re tilting at windmills.

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BarryW
+3 Andrew Major Joseph Crabtree Vik Banerjee alhoff dhr999

As always I can count on Andrew for a great response. 

I hear you on what Sram is saying, and I get that human laziness knows no boundaries. But I'm not convinced that this storyline of 'most bikes will be powered eventually' as a realistic or actual reality long term. 

I can tell you that in the sports I'm also involved in, that no matter the electrical developments they continue to be human powered. On the sailboat I race (and literally all the others we race against) we all raise and trim sails with nothing but human power and mechanical advantage. Now, electrical winches have existed (and been excellent to use) for a long tim, but that sport has said 'no thanks, we like sailing to be a physically demanding sport, nothing easy here.' Why is the inevitable that our bikes will all be motorcycles? (And yes, I get the insane responses about legal classifications, but being real these are motorized cycles; aka: motorcycle). 

I'm here saying that as someone that actually paid for a Beta subscription because I WILL pay for good journalism, you don't have to follow the degradation of our sport to succeed.

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XXX_er
-4 Cr4w BarryW Shoreboy finbarr Velocipedestrian Joseph Crabtree Vik Banerjee Nick Maffei

the wind is doing all the work, Sailing is not  a real sport

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AndrewMajor
+3 Velocipedestrian Vik Banerjee Matt L.

Hi Barry,

Just for the record, Beta MTB reviewed e-bikes. 

I’m not saying I know with certainty that a meat-bike only mountain bike publication couldn’t survive as a business, but I can’t think of an example. Even Mountain Flyer has occasional e-bike coverage

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I have to say I’m actually quite impressed with how Bosch, Shimano, and other major players in the motor game have resisted the low-hanging fruit of throttle add-on kits.

As someone whose general derision towards e-MTB is well noted, I would have bet money that the cheeky class-1 to class 2/3 upgrades ‘sold separately’ would be prevalent. That hasn’t happened. Which is nice.

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Just talking about high-performance mountain bikes, certainly much smarter people than me are saying e-bikes will be the norm everywhere above mid-level price points. They already are in many places. Locally, on the North Shore, the wave is here this season, and it’s being ridden by at least a few past hard-anti-e-bike folks I know. 

How far will that trickle down? I don’t know. 

Will there come a point where I can’t get work as a wrench or a writer because I don’t want to work on e-bikes (anymore, I have in the past) or to write about them? Probably not for the former and most likely for the latter.

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Vikb
+2 BarryW Andrew Major

"Will there come a point where I can’t get work as a wrench or a writer because I don’t want to work on e-bikes (anymore, I have in the past) or to write about them? Probably not for the former and most likely for the latter."

The one thing the internet does really well is collect a dispersed niche community and focus it into something cohesive. So I'm hopeful there will be at least one high quality human powered dirt bicycle channel on the internet that can survive The Rise of the Motors. 

Bicycle Quarterly is doing well...mostly in print no less and they are 100% meat focused...although they are doing the roadie/rando/gravel thing.

There is also Substack and Patreon as options.

Keep on writing about meat machines and we'll keep on reading.

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XXX_er
+1 Andy Eunson

So  i never see them commuters made outa chinesium on the trails at the my local bike area and i don't see them riding in the rest of BC  cuz its just too damn hard and requires too much skill that one could not buy on amazon

I think Whistler is not real life, it's Disneyland for skiers and bikers

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XXX_er
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There is a whole lot of things in this world that are not necessary  like super yachts, Ferrari's and yes  ... E-bikes. IMO we don't need to make them  accessible to everbody,  as the saying goes " if they have no bread let them eat cake " I hear many people say they wana do something but in real life they don't show up, they don't want to put themselves out enough to actualy do it, also it might just be too hard? I can't think of any product that isnt more expensive than it was 40yrs ago so maybe  make them cheaper, I certainly  wouldn't complain about that ?

I recently did a ride where 5 of us including the builder were on e-bikes and i had no idea where i was going but  talk about a fast pace,  hard work and  I got some bruises,  Ebikes are still a lot of work

Etiquette wise what are you gona do about an E bike that is considerably faster than an acoustic bike , Does the e-biker go ahead or does he hang 5 ft off the acoustic rider's wheel, strikes me some one will be pissed eitehr way ?

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andy-eunson
+1 Andrew Major Velocipedestrian dhr999

Well last week I did a ride from home to the Zappa trails around Lost Lake here at Whistler. I caught up a guy on the trails and he let me pass. We were climbing at a similar rate but he wasn’t nearly as fast going down. It was all cool. He was on an ebike and I was on a bike. It’s all about mutual respect. Last weekend I rode up high above the Flank trail where the powers that be dictated no e-bikes. There were two people on e-bikes descending what is considered the climb trail but I’m not sure it is officially designated as such. No respect.

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tangentdave
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Many threads, many ideas. James brought up a great point during the fireside discussion on the second night, ebikes mean more people in the forest. People in the forest addresses the largest hurdle to maintaining and progressing our sport. More sanctioned blue trails means more black+ trails. 

I ride all bikes, Flintstone, ebike, moto, and build bikes that blur the lines (omg the most fun). The trail builder decides who rides who rides their trail. Respect the builder. 

I don't like asking to pass meat bikes on my ebike on a climb trail. I don't care if an ebike wants to pass while MY liver is pedaling uphill, but I don't want to use electrons to pass a chemical gradient under duress, so I try to use service roads as shuttle when possible. To me, this is the only drama under debate. The difficulty of the climb.

If the builder intends a more primitive feel, that means fewer people have access to the trail, because they don't know about it or won't get to it. All for this. Put up a sign, I see it on my ebike, respect. 

tl;dr: ebikes climb their own trail or the road, down don't matter unless the trail builder says so. 

-dave

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mammal
+2 Vik Banerjee alhoff

"More sanctioned blue trails means more black+ trails."

I haven't seen this play out at all. From my experience over the last decade or so, the more sanctioned blue trails have popped up, the more the sanctioned black+ trails are pressured into having roll-arounds, or reducing the risk factor of the features that make them black+, for the sake of those with less-then-black+ skill level. It seems to me that people have forgotten (or didn't learn) that it's OK to skip a trail because it's above your capability.

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andy-eunson
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I’ve been thinking about this for about a week now. I think it’s short sighted. Look at places like, Garibaldi Park, Joffrey Lakes and other hiking only places where it’s permit only. Those places would get overrun without a permit system. I don’t subscribe to "we need growth" to be healthy view point. Many years ago hikers said we riders were causing more wear and tear to the trail system as it existed then because we could ride more distance in a given time than a hiker. And that was correct. We do. And various trail organizations were created in response to perform maintenance and build new trails. The work is almost all performed by volunteers. Or paid crews funded by the trail organizations with some tax money at times as well. Now if we increase the distance we ride in a given amount of time, or a person has enough time to ride a short distance where they wouldn’t normally ride due to time constraints etc etc. which volunteer group takes up the slack and burden of increased trail work? There’s no doubt in my mind that most e-bikers would contribute the same as they did when they rode bikes. But the question I have is: do we really want or need the growth promised by motorized bikes?

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lamar454
-6 Kristian Øvrum 4Runner1 XXX_er Andrew Major BarryW Jerry Willows

I just got back from EU and working with some bike companies there. The latest poll showed 81% of all potential bike purchasers in the coming 12 months are considering an ebike. We are clearly not at that level here but its coming and events like this are important to make sure we do it correctly, especially with regards to trail etiquette, trail maintenance and inclusivity. As mentioned $10k is not inclusive, not even close.  We need to find ways to make these bikes accessible to all. #allbodiesonbikes

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trumpstinyhands
+6 4Runner1 XXX_er Andrew Major Andy Eunson Niels van Kampenhout dhr999

I agree on trail etiquette and trail maintenance, but I don't understand this trend that states that a PASTIME has to be financially inclusive. I'd rather secure affordable housing be financially inclusive personally. I wouldn't mind a go at Formula 1 racing, yacht racing, WRC racing, etc etc but guess what, I can't afford it! So what. My first mountain bike in 1987 had a 24" frame, steel rims etc was an absolute piece of crap, but it got me out there and I still remember the sensation of riding that bike for the first time 36 years later. But now people are moaning that expensive bikes are expensive. Don't buy one then! There's plenty of half decent used MTBs for under $500 that will be infinitely better than the POS that I rode. Sure, you won't be 'cool' but so what. Or there's a perfectly decent used Norco Sight VLT for sale locally for $3500.  OK, it's $3500, but it's not $10,000. Or buy a dart board or a pack of cards....

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AndrewMajor
-1 dhr999

@TTH, I agree with your comment 100%. As a society we (in Canada) are not successfully ensuring what we consider basic rights for our whole population - clean drinking water, shelter, food security, education, etc. I also would much rather see efforts put into affordable housing than ensuring universal access to participate in Yacht racing, which is the logical extension to trying to make 10-20k e-bikes affordable for everyone. 

That said, as you note, for most of mountain biking’s history to date, aside from racing, despite what companies tell us, equipment was less of an equalizer than skill, and folks on 2nd hand hardtails could ride with folks on brand new XTR-level trail bikes on most trails. Motors do very much change that (depending on size, a new battery for that Norco you mentioned, which it almost certainly needs, costs as much as a budget hardtail). I read a lot of comments where folks are embracing a motor-assisted future while trying to cling to the more egalitarian past. It’s just not reality.

All bodies on bikes for sure, but when did that become about luxury toys?

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4Runner1
+1 dhr999

There has always been “luxury toys” in the sport. See your earlier comment re: XTR. I could never afford XTR when I was younger. It was a total luxury to run a Race Face turbine crank. Some of my friends even had dedicated riding shoes! Talk about luxury. It’s all relative, including one’s perception.

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AndrewMajor
-1 dhr999

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say relative to my point?

Yes, as I noted, there have always been very high-end bike products (suspension is a great example) that the average rider couldn’t afford. Historically the difference between the best and basic was a relatively minor differentiator for most riders on most trails compared to motors vs. no  motors.

What are you disagreeing with?

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4Runner1
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Also, there are plenty top tier meat bikes in the $15G plus range. It’s not really about e-bikes.

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AndrewMajor
0 Andy Eunson dhr999

To further explain my comment above, the performance difference for most riders on most trails between say a 4K and 15K meat-powered bike is relatively minor. Someone riding a Deore drivetrain and Select suspension can absolutely ride bikes with someone running Ohlins and AXS. 

The difference between a 4K meat-powered bike and a 15K e-bike, for most riders on most trails, is substantially larger. 

It’s not a judgment, just a simple statement of fact re. motors acting as an income based differentiator.

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4Runner1
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Sorry I don’t buy it. There are more affordable e-bikes out there. 

I’m saying it’s not necessarily the motor that is the luxury item in this discussion.

4Runner1
+1 Andrew Major

I get that it’s not a judgement. I’m not taking it that way and certainly not offended.

AndrewMajor
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I guess take it all the way back to the basic entry level mountain bike experience.

I’ve ridden blue & purple (faded black?) trails on hardtails like the Rocky Growler 20 or Marin San Quentin that cost less than a 900Wh battery for any Norco E-MTB, which are towards the lower price point of actual trail worthy eMTB options. 

The majority of e-bikes I see on the same trails are 10K+, which really makes sense to the extent of what the bonus watts can do to budget drivetrains and the basic level of braking that is safe.

lamar454
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I guess i'll have to do the full explanation....... if 81% of ALL PEOPLE about to buy a bike are considering an ebike, that means MANY of those people WILL NOT be able to afford one.  That may very well mean THEY WILL NOT BUY A BIKE. end of story.  so yes inclusivity is a problem when you want to have more people on bikes as a whole, whether its for commuting, recreation, fitness or rich white folks riding eMTBs in the mountains.........

The cycling industry as a whole should be doing whatever they can to have more people on bikes. The benefits are simple in terms of reducing reliance on fossil fuel vehicles, personal health, conserves residential space, allows for more vegetation versus concrete, boost local business (we have 4900 bike shops in north america), less pressure on public transport, saves money vs auto commuting, reduces anxiety/stress/depression. Shall i go on?  So lets ALL THINK ABOUT THIS TOP DOWN not Bottom up, which is the majority of the posts here........

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andy-eunson
+1 BarryW

Which type of ebike? Commuter e-bikes? Real off road worthy e-bikes or all types? Here in Whistler I see far more commuter type and cargo e-bikes than real off road worthy ones. Plus tourists on rentals with the helmet hanging off the bar. I see older people on off road e-bikes. But they ride beginner trails mostly. And one jackass on one of those Suron type electric motorcycle throttling around on mtb trails.  Younger folks I think are far more likely to buy a DH bike and park pass. It’s less costly. But that’s here where we have the most famous bike park in the world. I’ve also herd one person claim that you pretty much needed an ebike to ride Squamish. Really?

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BarryW
-1 Vik Banerjee 4Runner1 dhr999

So if we can set aside the current rules on throttle controlled electric bikes for a second. 

Why do you have an issue with them on your trails? If you can ride an ebike, why can't it just be a low powered motorcycle? At least on the descents they would pose no more wear than most full powered ebikes right? And uphill probably also the same as a full powered ebike on boost. 

This is part of my issue with the pro-ebike crowd. Why do you think you can draw that arbitrary line in the sand that a throttle just cannot be used, but boost while pedaling is okay?

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XXX_er
+1 4Runner1 dhr999 Joseph Crabtree

You obviuosly have no idea about how E-bikes work  and are probably incapable of riding one. An e-bike does no more damage to the trail than an acoustic bike, even on boost an e-bike   does not produce  rooster tail of dirt, there is no trail damage, there is no throttle so  all you get is  some assistance which is why that is where the line is drawn

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andy-eunson
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I don’t have an issue with bikes or e-bikes on the trails as long the riders are respectful. I was asking Peter Appleton about the 81% figure. He said in Europe 81% of people considering a new bike were considering an ebike. I like the idea of e-bikes for commuting. If I was still working, I’m retired, I might have considered one.

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BarryW
-1 dhr999

And are we talking all bikes in general? If you're discussing urban mobility then motors make sense in many, many cases. Because this is a way to ease the effort of commuting. 

But I'm betting that number is radically different for mtb purchases.

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