Posted by: Pnwpedal
First off, I'm grateful that we can have an intelligent conversation. On a US forum this would have quickly devolved into personal attacks, threats of violence/civil war, and no real discussion.
The world of today could not be fathomed in 1787. The American constitution is the ultimate foundation of our principles (as it should be in a Constitutional Republic) but there is debate over whether the intent should be followed, or a more modern interpretation. That's outside of my control beyond voting for politicians I believe in so I don't worry about it.
As far as the firearms themselves, the "AR15" of today (a 60 year old design that has become the basis of most modern rifles) is practically equivalent to the flintlock musket of the Revolutionary War - the ubiquitous rifle that most citizens can own. Not necessarily the best, but practical enough to get the job done. Applying the Second Amendment as intended, the right of a citizen to own them "shall not be infringed". (See the previous statement over Intent VS Interpretation)
I do agree that the average American has been conditioned to have a very shallow belief system. The quote of "buying things we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress people we don't like" applies far too often. There is a societal issue without a doubt. I have personally stepped away from watching any national/corporate news, especially the "talking head" style of political pundits giving their spin on the news (Fox, MSNBC, etc). I'll check local news for local events, and if a national event is serious enough it will pop up on one of these sources. Life is better that way. Like most Americans, I want to live my best and happiest life and contribute to a good life for my family. Unfortunately the quiet majority are vastly overshadowed by the loudest voices on the extreme ends of the spectrum...
The only thing I really have an issue with here is trying to draw an equivalence between a musket and an AR15. If you mean it simply in terms of what was available and used by people in their time then I can see the comparison, but for the guns themselves there's no comparison imo in terms of accuracy, projectile speed, magazine capacity, firing capacity and overall effectiveness. As a tool used to kill people, the AR15 is vastly superior to a musket. That's where I see problems with not making any considerations in adjusting a three century old document to reflect current society - can you apply intent from one significantly different time period to another?
Edit - in some respects, I'm glad that's a debate I don't need to have.
Last edited by: syncro on Dec. 8, 2019, 4:47 p.m., edited 1 time in total.