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Meanwhile in Texas - $9,000 per KiloWatt/hour?

Feb. 17, 2021, 9:10 a.m.
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Not sure what's covered on the local news but you guys hear about that?

protect tom mcdonald at all costs

Feb. 17, 2021, 9:11 a.m.
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Climate Change is very costly.  Texas grid wasn't prepared.

Feb. 17, 2021, 9:14 a.m.
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Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Climate Change is very costly.  Texas grid wasn't prepared.

Very costly is one way to say it... Perhaps they shouldnt have deregulated and disconnected from the national grid?

Feb. 17, 2021, 9:17 a.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Very costly is one way to say it... Perhaps they shouldnt have deregulated and disconnected from the national grid?

I thought Socialism was bad  ;)

Feb. 17, 2021, 9:24 a.m.
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Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Very costly is one way to say it... Perhaps they shouldnt have deregulated and disconnected from the national grid?

I thought Socialism was bad ;)

They all have no power which is equal... maybe they're already there.


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Feb. 18, 2021, 12:05 p.m.
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Well at least Republican Senator Ted Cruz managed to escape the cold to Cancun.

Ted Cruz is an asshole

Feb. 18, 2021, 2:23 p.m.
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"Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz," Franken wrote. "I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."

Feb. 18, 2021, 2:31 p.m.
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As usual, shogun's point is completely fucking wrong.  Yes, Texas power rates have gone up astronomically.  No, not as high as $9,000/kWh.  Rather, wholesale prices have ballooned to $9,000/MWh from a norm of $50/MWh.

Mega ... not kilo.  That's 3 orders of magnitude of wrongness.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-electricity-texas-prices/texas-wholesale-electric-prices-spike-more-than-10000-amid-outages-idUSKBN2AF19A

Feb. 18, 2021, 2:34 p.m.
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No power for millions of people.  Frozen has lines.  Frozen water lines.  No water or very low pressure because people let there taps run so the lines wouldn't freeze.  If water is available, boil water alert.  Roads shut down all over because no snow plows.  Empty store shelves.  People sitting in their cars with engine running to keep warm.

What's the cause of all this?  Wind turbines and the green new deal.

Feb. 18, 2021, 4:24 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

What's the cause of all this?  Wind turbines and the green new deal.

Um no. 

https://www.power-grid.com/blogs/has-privatization-failed-texas-utility-customers/#gref

"Cold weather during February 2011 and ineffective weatherization that did not protect the plants caused many Texas electric power plants to shut down. Electricity prices spiked much higher, and Texas experienced prolonged and frequent rolling blackouts that primarily affected residential customers.

During another Texas cold snap in January 2014, two large power plants unexpectedly closed down because of incomplete weatherization, which resulted in the danger of rolling blackouts. As a result, Texas wholesale electricity market prices spiked higher–from a usual $30 to $100 per megawatt-hour to more than $4,500 per megawatt-hour. Under existing rules, all generators receive the same $4,500 per megawatt-hour regardless of their average costs.

The current incentives in electricity markets harm residential electricity consumers. Texas electricity generators, with multiple plants on the interconnection grid, receive much more money if they do not weatherize a few of their plants properly. As a consequence, these poorly weatherized plants must shut down during cold weather. All generating plants that remain online receive the spiking electricity prices, and the generating company makes much more money than if all their plants were operating properly. This is only one way privatizers are gaming the Texas electricity market: using laws and rules set up by their lobbyists."

Feb. 18, 2021, 4:29 p.m.
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Posted by: earleb

Posted by: switch

What's the cause of all this?  Wind turbines and the green new deal.

Um no. 

https://www.power-grid.com/blogs/has-privatization-failed-texas-utility-customers/#gref

"Cold weather during February 2011 and ineffective weatherization that did not protect the plants caused many Texas electric power plants to shut down. Electricity prices spiked much higher, and Texas experienced prolonged and frequent rolling blackouts that primarily affected residential customers.

During another Texas cold snap in January 2014, two large power plants unexpectedly closed down because of incomplete weatherization, which resulted in the danger of rolling blackouts. As a result, Texas wholesale electricity market prices spiked higher–from a usual $30 to $100 per megawatt-hour to more than $4,500 per megawatt-hour. Under existing rules, all generators receive the same $4,500 per megawatt-hour regardless of their average costs.

The current incentives in electricity markets harm residential electricity consumers. Texas electricity generators, with multiple plants on the interconnection grid, receive much more money if they do not weatherize a few of their plants properly. As a consequence, these poorly weatherized plants must shut down during cold weather. All generating plants that remain online receive the spiking electricity prices, and the generating company makes much more money than if all their plants were operating properly. This is only one way privatizers are gaming the Texas electricity market: using laws and rules set up by their lobbyists."

I think you missed the e-sarc

Feb. 18, 2021, 4:46 p.m.
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"Screw you, we're from Texas."  lol...

Feb. 18, 2021, 8:31 p.m.
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Posted by: KenN

As usual, shogun's point is completely fucking wrong.  Yes, Texas power rates have gone up astronomically.  No, not as high as $9,000/kWh.  Rather, wholesale prices have ballooned to $9,000/MWh from a norm of $50/MWh.

Mega ... not kilo.  That's 3 orders of magnitude of wrongness.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-electricity-texas-prices/texas-wholesale-electric-prices-spike-more-than-10000-amid-outages-idUSKBN2AF19A

Here's a cookie. This was a thread to talk about whats happening but you just couldnt resist eh. You guys ever think if I do some of those on purpose?

ps: from the IT world, its kilo then mega, so thats only order of difference.

Feb. 18, 2021, 8:45 p.m.
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Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Well at least Republican Senator Ted Cruz managed to escape the cold to Cancun.

Ted Cruz is an asshole

Hannity: "You can juggle being both a senator and a good father."

Feb. 18, 2021, 8:49 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

Well at least Republican Senator Ted Cruz managed to escape the cold to Cancun.

Hannity: "You can juggle being both a senator and a good father."

Oh yeah. The hypocrites are doing backflips to rationalize this asshole’s attempted vacay. IOKIYAR

Meanwhile, Beto was checking on Seniors to see if they were safe.

...

BTC is on point with this critique.

https://youtu.be/3eRTdfKwOLc


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