Why Freedom Became Free-Dumb in America

Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

You ever wonder about Liberal Arts? Sort of implies the rest of the institution is of the conservative side.

no.  it doesn't.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal%20arts

"The liberal in liberal arts, a cornerstone of the education of so many, has very little to do with political leanings; its roots can be traced to the Latin word liber, meaning “free, unrestricted.” Our language took the term from the Latin liberales artes, which described the education given to freeman and members of the upper classes, and involved training in the mind (grammar, logic, geometry, etc.). The lower classes were educated in the servile arts, which were mechanical or occupational in nature. The phrase liberal arts has been part of our language for a very long time, with use dating back to the 14th century."

Our language is full of Orwellian doublespeak then. Wasnt there a running joke sometime ago in nbr-land about liberal arts grads making our coffee's? Seems pretty damn servile to me or the modern day equivalent of.

Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: tungsten

I think the thrust of the expose was that the counselors were streering non-whites away from higher learning because they were racist.

You ever wonder about Liberal Arts? Sort of implies the rest of the institution is of the conservative side.

I wondered why there aren't Conservative Arts schools, but then I remembered about the Christian schools that force you to take arbitrary vows on enrollment.

BECAUSE ART CANT BE CONSTRAINED TO THE CONSERVATIVE DUDE!

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: syncro

As an aside, IMO philosophy should be taught in high school.

Screw that - get them out/graduated by 16. Dont get me wrong, philosophy would be a great elective but I think we need to drastically overhaul some shit in the curriculim. Or basically, have the options for students who want to work in trade's available sooner without having to drop out which would give the student's who want to pursue post sec and higher thinking the same option.

For my aside, anyone else seen enough of the results from "Career & Attitude Planning" ?

Fuck that! I don’t want any sixteen year olds out on the site with me. I have enough to focus on never mind worrying about someone who can’t even grow facial hair getting squished.

Love the Metallica.

So... on a segue from that: does that mean we could agree that the voting age should be raised instead of lowered?

Not at all. It’s fine where it is. In fairness though I’m not comfortable with an 18 year old around large tracked equipment either.I’ve been on a site where a 19 year old was killed.

Part of me wants to ask who's fault it was. That's probably an entirely different conversation though.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: tungsten

I think the thrust of the expose was that the counselors were streering non-whites away from higher learning because they were racist.

You ever wonder about Liberal Arts? Sort of implies the rest of the institution is of the conservative side.

I wondered why there aren't Conservative Arts schools, but then I remembered about the Christian schools that force you to take arbitrary vows on enrollment.

BECAUSE ART CANT BE CONSTRAINED TO THE CONSERVATIVE DUDE!

Once a potato declared severance from a package of marmalade!

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: syncro

As an aside, IMO philosophy should be taught in high school.

Screw that - get them out/graduated by 16. Dont get me wrong, philosophy would be a great elective but I think we need to drastically overhaul some shit in the curriculim. Or basically, have the options for students who want to work in trade's available sooner without having to drop out which would give the student's who want to pursue post sec and higher thinking the same option.

For my aside, anyone else seen enough of the results from "Career & Attitude Planning" ?

Fuck that! I don’t want any sixteen year olds out on the site with me. I have enough to focus on never mind worrying about someone who can’t even grow facial hair getting squished.

Love the Metallica.

So... on a segue from that: does that mean we could agree that the voting age should be raised instead of lowered?

Not at all. It’s fine where it is. In fairness though I’m not comfortable with an 18 year old around large tracked equipment either.I’ve been on a site where a 19 year old was killed.

Part of me wants to ask who's fault it was. That's probably an entirely different conversation though.

For the record, his. And the operator of the milling machine didn’t work for over a year.

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: syncro

As an aside, IMO philosophy should be taught in high school.

Screw that - get them out/graduated by 16. Dont get me wrong, philosophy would be a great elective but I think we need to drastically overhaul some shit in the curriculim. Or basically, have the options for students who want to work in trade's available sooner without having to drop out which would give the student's who want to pursue post sec and higher thinking the same option.

For my aside, anyone else seen enough of the results from "Career & Attitude Planning" ?

Fuck that! I don’t want any sixteen year olds out on the site with me. I have enough to focus on never mind worrying about someone who can’t even grow facial hair getting squished.

Love the Metallica.

So... on a segue from that: does that mean we could agree that the voting age should be raised instead of lowered?

Not at all. It’s fine where it is. In fairness though I’m not comfortable with an 18 year old around large tracked equipment either.I’ve been on a site where a 19 year old was killed.

Part of me wants to ask who's fault it was. That's probably an entirely different conversation though.

For the record, his. And the operator of the milling machine didn’t work for over a year.

Milling machine eh? Say no more sir.

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: syncro

*advice

Nice try KenN!

Advise is a verb, an action, the act of doing.  I'm going to advise chup on his poor grammar.

Advice is a noun, the thing that is given.  I gave chup advice about basic grammar as it's been 50 years or more since he took basic English lesson in high school.

LOL.  It was just over 30 years ago!  I am not Tungsten old.