Pleasant-ville

Yeah. Sorry. I don't get this attitude. There are very few spots on Seymour and Fromme combined where a hiker could be standing/walking where I would struggle to stop in time not to hit them. If you have this problem, then you're riding out of control and it's your problem.

exactly. there shouldn't be any scenario where you have to stuff it because of some unexpected hazard - be it bodies or debris. either take the time to scope the line before you unleash world cup shralpage, or adjust your speed accordingly.

^^^ I've actually come across a family having a picnic in the middle of Pangor!

exactly. there shouldn't be any scenario where you have to stuff it because of some unexpected hazard - be it bodies or debris. either take the time to scope the line before you unleash world cup shralpage, or adjust your speed accordingly.

Based on this it's safe to assume you have never been or apart of an car accident ever? Because you always go look ahead and manage your speed for all situations that could arrise no matter the situation?

Based on this it's safe to assume you have never been or apart of an car accident ever? Because you always go look ahead and manage your speed for all situations that could arrise no matter the situation?

Some people do stupid shit and accidents result. Do we therefore prevent people from driving in the interests of safety?

Sometimes branches fall of natural causes and land in the landings of drops, jumps etc. Do we therefore cut all the trees down to prevent this?

Same thing with hikers on 'biking primary' trails. Some hikers will do stupid shit like like have picnics in the middle of the trail and stand to take selfies at the bottom of the Expresso rock-roll. Do we therefore ban hikers from biking primary trails? No, because the vast majority of hikers would listen and be aware the bikes may use the trail and act accordingly.

I think you're clutching at straws and showing a 'me me me' attitude in expecting biking only trails. There will always be a small number of idiots in any usergroup. If you come across one, no harm in a polite and courteous piece of advice and carry on your way. The chances of a) coming across one of the small number of said idiots in b) a section of trail where you can't reasonably stop/slow down are so minute that it really should be a non-issue.

Some people do stupid shit and accidents result. Do we therefore prevent people from driving in the interests of safety?

Sometimes branches fall of natural causes and land in the landings of drops, jumps etc. Do we therefore cut all the trees down to prevent this?

Same thing with hikers on 'biking primary' trails. Some hikers will do stupid shit like like have picnics in the middle of the trail and stand to take selfies at the bottom of the Expresso rock-roll. Do we therefore ban hikers from biking primary trails? No, because the vast majority of hikers would listen and be aware the bikes may use the trail and act accordingly.

I think you're clutching at straws and showing a 'me me me' attitude in expecting biking only trails. There will always be a small number of idiots in any usergroup. If you come across one, no harm in a polite and courteous piece of advice and carry on your way. The chances of a) coming across one of the small number of said idiots in b) a section of trail where you can't reasonably stop/slow down are so minute that it really should be a non-issue.

You totally misunderstood what my whole point was right from the beginning. Never once did I say I wanted to ban hikers on primary biking trails. I hike and bike on the north shore just like everyone else. My point was it is a two way street both bikers and hikers need to be aware of each other and to give way to each other depending on the situation. I don't rage down the hill like I'm trying to win the world cup. But I'm not naive enough to believe that there are situations where it would be hard to stop instantly. I had a time once coming down ladies only where I met a group of people. they were just off the trail as they heard/saw me. But unfortunately the dog that I didnt see didn't and coming to a stop ended with me over the bars because of a root section. Was I mad at them? No. they apologized I said don't worry about.

Everyone on Fromme today was very friendly. Even saw Peter Morin [HTML_REMOVED] thanked him for his efforts.