Posted by: kavurider
It is amazing to me that many people who chose to not get vaccinated do not understand that. It seems like a very "us vs them" mentality, vaccinated against unvaccinated. But most people did it because, like you said, it seems like the best answer to help our society right now.
Getting vaccinated doesn't mean you are pledging allegiance to one side or the other. I hate how polarized/political this has become.
To me its not an us vs them thing in actuality or at all because, we're in this together right? Here's my real world position from the start. Number One reason I'm not vaccinated: AFAIK, once I'm injected with it, I cant get it out. Thats a commitment I cant make. So thats a non starter for me from the start. I havent checked a vaccine box for myself but I've read there's no vaccine insert info sheet with this vaccine and a product under EUA is not required to have one. Combine that with for whatever reason, when someone or a group of people want me to do something this badly, I naturally hold out. There's also the fact vaccine's usually go through 5+ years of trials so one could then argue we're now a year into trials.
Fast Orange just said he's vaccinated but can still spread it so the vaccine doesnt work as intended. In the event they develop a vaccine that actually works as a classic vaccine would, I would and will still hold out. If the time came when I needed it, it is there ( or should be and if it isnt, then I wont be. I'm ok with that). I can simplify it even more: you (all) have made a choice before I actually have. But I can still make that choice. It currently does not look like we are going to run out of vaccine's.
Now, with the current information available about who's at risk or vaccine effectiveness and almost back on topic, from what I've read in the covid thread is I'm still more at risk of taking up a hospital bed since I'm non vaxxed and yet the risk is now almost the same as a vaccinated person, just the vaccinated will reportedly have less severe symptoms. I'm semi sure there's a good portion of people who think smokers and the obese (co factors) should have higher health premiums. Those people also made a choice and if they're vaccinated and contract covid and need the hospital resources, they somehow deserve a hospital bed more than a hold out who's been healthy or healthier duration the pandemic and life? No comprende yo.
Along those lines is the best way I can way describe what seems like the sentiment against the non vaxxed from a non vaxxed pov and the us vs them mentality that the vaccinated see. I obviously cant speak for all the hold outs because one could have allergies for example but I see the .gov and vaccinated pushing us to do something we're not comfortable doing just yet. They and "you" are supporting limiting us from segments of society and those restrictions will probably encroach further into more aspects soon enough. I've said this before but we all have access to the same information, we can all derive what we will from it and go from there. It just seems people cant actually talk about it if we disagree, like Syncro said in some other thread.
Apply the bold to this flip side thread and thats what I was aiming for here. What if things changed relatively drastically for the vaccinated because they did what they were told? The idea for this thread is from another forum and I wanted to check the sentiment here which is a polar opposite of the other place so real world differing opinions.
