Are All Mountain Bikers A-Holes?

Dear Uncle Dave,

When I read the comments under articles online it’s pretty obvious people comment before reading the article a lot of the time. Especially on Facebook. They get phantom offended and say all sorts of ridiculous things and make themselves look like assholes before they even know what the article is about.

Is this unique to mountain bikers? The mountain bikers I know are actually kind of smart (except for the dudes – they are really stupid about women) and they aren’t really assholes (unless you start talking about dumbing down trails or E Bikes).

So what’s the deal? Are most mountain bikers semi-literate homophobic assholes and I just happen to know a few that aren’t? Will they be voting for Ted Cruz? Is there any hope for humanity?

Yours most sincerely,
Hoping All Might Be Facebook’s Fault


Dear Hamface:

I like your question so much.  I hope you are given a fantastic prize for it.  You’re probably not referring specifically to the comments on this here column, but in keeping with tradition, I’m going to make this all about me.  And oh boy, are we ever going to digress.

This may be surprising, but I’m honestly under no illusions that my opinions are particularly valid.  I’m actually kind of surprised that anybody cares what I have to say.  I’m baffled that people keep sending in questions.  And I’m confused that the powers that be keep running the meandering ramblings that I produce (quite frankly…I’m starting to question their motivations). Life is funny, I guess. But I’ve been struggling over the last few weeks. Every time I sit down to write one of these things I’m faced with a gigantic wave of “why bother,” Why bother taking the time to think about a subject and then present your honest thoughts with as much supporting information as you can wrangle, only to be ripped apart by anonymous people who aren’t in any way accountable for what they say?  Why would anybody want to do that?

Let’s take last week’s discussion about tubeless as an example.  Here’s what I think I said:

  • I’ve spent a fair amount of time on both set-ups over the last little while
  • A really nice, light tubeless set-up can feel amazing …but if I’m honest, I can’t really tell the difference without pulling the tire off the rim
  • If you take a moment to think about it, current tubeless technology is pretty crappy
  • On my personal bikes, which I hardly ever ride, I haven’t felt it is worth the hassle to make the switch (so don’t feel too badly if you haven’t either)
  • You should try it out for yourself and see if it is worth it for you

Based on (some of) the comments, I’m a luddite who doesn’t know his ass from his face because tubeless is the greatest thing ever and how dare I go on a tirade against this wonderful advancement in technology. Maybe the article didn’t read the way I intended? Maybe people misinterpreted what I said? Maybe some didn’t read past the headline? I don’t know.

I struggled with this for a few hours.  I re-read the article to figure out if I’d screwed things up.  I reached out to a few people to see if they had gotten my point. I concluded that I probably could have done a few things to clean it up and make things a bit more clear, but the article was not an attack on tubeless or a suggestion that you shouldn’t be running it. So where did that idea come from? Is it a question of reading comprehension, or attention spans or of not reading the whole article? Or is there something else at play?

My thought is that the world seems to be drifting towards more of a black/white kind of place. Politicians are expected to form an opinion at birth and never waver from it. Every product is either amazing or horrible. People are falling into their echo chambers and there isn’t much room for discussion, dissent or speculation. That’s just weakness, the narrative tells us. Strong people have strong convictions. As a result, we’re now more likely to formulate an opinion, think it is valid for everybody, and stick with it no matter what. If we see something that doesn’t align with what we feel, we’re more likely to ignore what is actually said and respond to what we think was said. Or focus in on the one point that we can argue against. And writers are to blame for this too. Weak opinions and bland conclusions don’t really excite. Polarity is drifting into articles, so why wouldn’t it be present in the comments?

And to throw some further shit on the writers, who are these clowns anyway? I mean, I’m just some jackass explaining that I’m too lazy to pump my tires every ride and who hates having a floor pump banging around in the back seat of his truck. Maybe it’s totally fair for some other jackass to complain about that? I get upset when Sarah Palin proposes building more reservoirs to harness water that doesn’t exist. Why shouldn’t you get upset when an equivalent buffoon challenges your firmly held beliefs about tubeless tires? Maybe the people that we think are idiots with their stupid responses are the ones that are actually getting it? Maybe there is only one valid opinion and it just happens to be yours?

Taking things even further (and this is going to BLOW MINDS!) I don’t particularly feel all that strongly about most of the subjects, opinions and ideas that I’ve expressed over the course of the Uncle Dave series. I can hardly even remember most of them at this point. 90% of the words created for this column, and probably a full 90% of the words ever written about mountain bikes or mountain biking, barely cross the threshold required of “marginal information,” and are worlds away from being anything close to “important facts that matter.” Most of the really interesting thoughts and ideas about bikes are un-printable, and the people that are forming them are probably busy doing other things. Any mountain bike writer who thinks their words are the least bit consequential to the world as a whole is delusional. Anybody getting super upset about these same articles needs more important things to think about.

Back to tubeless for a minute. In the wake of last week’s question, I locked myself in the bathroom and really, really thought about tubeless tires. Am I an idiot for not running them?  Do only noobs run tubes?  Is there something wrong with me? I thought about this, and I came to this conclusion.  And then scrubbed as much of the profanity out of it as I could muster, which makes the whole thing way less fun:

Screw this.  (Oh…I want to swear so badly!)

I don’t care if you think that tubeless tires are the greatest thing ever. Right now, I’m struggling to find a few hours every week to ride my bike. The last thing I want to do is dick around for an evening setting up tubeless tires and then worrying about my air pressure for the entire ride. I want to be able to grab my bike, pull it out of the closet and ride the thing with the minimum of hassles. If that means strapping an extra half pound to my wheels, so be it. I’ve never cared about weight and always leaned towards simplicity and reliability on my builds.

That is my deep down, honest opinion on how I theoretically feel about tubeless tires and if I was sensitive to my own motivations I could probably conclude that I chose to write about this in order to provide a very subtle counterpoint to the thousands of OMG!!! YOU HAVE TO RUN TUBELESS!!!  YOU DON’T RUN TUBELESS?!!!! YOU HAVE TO RUN TUBELESS!!! bits scattered around the internet. And in the end, I didn’t even suggest not running tubeless.

And here’s the really, really stupid thing about this whole discussion.  The bike I’ve been riding for the last 4 months… HAS TUBELESS TIRES ON IT.  The one I rode for 3 months before that had them too.  And the one before that. I’m quite literally riding a bike with tubeless tires on it while people call me out as a moron for not riding tubeless tires. And those tubeless tires have had (most likely) less than a 2.6% impact on the enjoyment I felt while riding those bikes and are totally inconsequential And all I’m left with is shame for expending so much effort on such a frivolous topic.

What I wrote was a thought exercise and an opinion and a justification for the “greatest” not always being the “best”, and for some reason that’s not okay.  Okay?

Sorry…What was your question?
Dave


For so skillfully unlocking Uncle Dave’s rage, Hamface, you win some new skins from Specialized!

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Hamface – your prize is a pair of Specialzed Ground Control Tires. Size 650b. Not recommended for your e-commuter.


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Can I just answer in the affirmative here? Yes, Hamface (loved that abbreviation, thank you!), all MTBers are assholes. Why? Because all people are assholes at some point or another, and MTBers are people. Add some elitism, some exclusiveness, a bit of entitlement, a dash of expectation and an opinion and suddenly, you have yourself a Grade A asshole. Especially online.

We're all assholes on the internet.

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bavaria-20
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Ah, c'mon! 🙂 Well, isn't this piece written from the perspective of a grumpy old guy? Only visits bike shops every couple years? Would rather run tubes than spend 2 annoying minutes checking tire pressure pre-ride? Bitter about barely having time to get out and ride a few hours a week? You get back what you put out there. Understand Karma - no debt goes unpaid. It's all clear from here!

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andy-eunson
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I didn't intend to offend Uncle Dave. I always thought his stuff was satire with plenty of tongue in cheek. I don't share his opinion on tubeless and that's fine. But I think he's got some facts wrong and confusing that with opinion for example topping up air pressure every ride. I find tubeless with sealant no different than tubes with respect to airing up. I used to flat about once a month but with tubeless hardly ever. Those are facts. Sealant is a bit messy. The standard for easy tubeless set up is not being followed or met by some manufacturers that is true.

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cam@nsmb.com
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Dave needs to harden up a bit. The glare of the internet spotlight burns at first but gradually everything scabs over, and the next time it doesn't hurt as much because a little bit more of you dies each time.

He'll get there.

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nat-brown
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I enjoyed the read, and appreciate the perspective, but I've also got to say that I think I've been reading this series wrong the whole time. It's not actually sarcasm, as I'd previously thought. I'm smiling to myself; in the 'Uncle Dave' a few weeks ago, about buying a second hand bike, I thought it brilliant sarcasm all the things you'd bring with you, and the things you'd check on a potential purchase. Now I'm thinking, "Whoa, Uncle Dave is a really thorough guy."

To the point of your article, I'm not really surprised at opinions that differ from mine. 1. As you can tell from the first paragraph, at a minimum I'm prone to some bad judgement calls, and more likely plain stupid. And 2. Look at how some populations in wealthy nations, with supposedly free elections, cast their vote. Some people out there probably think the voters of Greece right now are just trying to escape responsibility for their bad financial decisions. Some people out there might wonder how George W. Bush was voted in, in 04. No matter which side of the fence you're on, and how unreasonable the other side seems, a lot of people see it the other way around. Fucked if I know why, but they do. It's all around us, all the time.

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pcmtb
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If Kristen Butcher had written an article with the same title it would have been a million times better. I especially didn't like the part where you said: "Anybody getting super upset about these same articles needs more important things to think about." This whole article is about you getting upset at peoples comments, I'm no writer but isn't this ironic? What a waste of a great title.

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Dirk
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I guess it's the difference between getting upset that somebody isn't super into tubeless and getting upset when somebody calls you an idiot.

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nat-brown
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I don't think anyone was asserting that you are an idiot though. Disagreeing with what you said, rightly or wrongly, sure. And some with considerable vigour. I guess someone inferred that you're a noob, but that's not really so bad is it?

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Dirk
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What can I say. I'm a delicate and sensitive soul.

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pcmtb
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Dirk, you're doing a great job buddy (pat on the back). I could really give a shit about the tubeless vs non tubeless debate your first article sparked (anyone who really cares would be riding slow as hell anyway), the article was well written and objective. With a title like "are all mountain bikers A-holes" this article had so much potential I mean look at how we dress, how cool we think we are and how much we make fun of people riding alloy frames (because they are poor, Ha Ha!!). I totally fall into this category and really enjoy self effacing journalism. However, this article is about how people who comment on forums are A-holes, OF COURSE THEY ARE! Did anyone ever think otherwise?

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nat-brown
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Oh, the irony.

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pcmtb
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No, it is the opposite of ironic. I am an A-hole commenting and that is logical.

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nat-brown
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It's unusual that I disagree with essentially every point someone makes, but your contributions here hit that mark. Although I do like how you fell on your sword just now. Not that you should care of course.

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pcmtb
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Uh, thanks? I think you came up with a way better title for the article: "Not that you should care" would have been much more appropriate considering it's about about a writer who is surprised at how people express differing opinions on comment boards "of course".

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nat-brown
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I doubt your sincerity. Nice.

And I really don't think you should care what my opinion is, or anyone else who is not in a position of power. What you should care about is how someone came to their conclusion. That's the only thing that should influence what and how someone thinks. Reason and logic matter. If someone is led to an opinion by a reason you didn't consider, that's something else to add into your analysis. Opinions themselves only serve to generate consensus in most circumstances.

I didn't add any support to my previous comment because I was trying to relate it to my comment elsewhere here, the one to the article itself. I don't think I communicated that well. Anyway, it seems to me that we are on opposite sides of the fence from each other. Whoop-dee-doo.

I could detail the specifics of why I disagree with essentially every point you've made, but I don't think you'd appreciate the effort based on your lack of sincerity. I'll detail one though. You love the title, and to me it's mediocre at best. My opinion is based on the lack of fortitude by abbreviating 'asshole', and the assertion that any group may have something else in common beside what defines the group- in this case MTBers not just all riding bikes, but also all being assholes. I get the use of exaggeration as a literary device, but I find this sort of thing lazy. I'm not trying to crap on the title here in-and-of-itself, it's inconsequential to me in every way except the context of this discussion.

And back to the abbreviation of 'asshole'. It's not so unusual, and maybe it was an editorial decision, and while I don't agree with where such a compromise is made to maintain advertising, I accept it as less than abhorrent and part of the society we live in. Not a big deal, not enough to comment, but we're discussing things here. And you abbreviated it too. Is it the arrangement of characters that you think offends people? Do you think that when people read 'A-hole' that they think it means something other than asshole? Maybe you're just making the concession because you don't want to be censored here. I'd make that compromise sometimes too, but I don't like that I would. For reference, maybe you're familiar with the argument about censorship between Born Against & Rorschach, and Ineffect Records from a couple of decades ago. If you're not, here's a link to the first of 3 installments (sorry if it embeds):
It's a long one, but entertaining to me at least. People don't just disagree in comments sections on the internet.

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pcmtb
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Hope you had as much fun writing that response as I had riding my bike today asshole 🙂 ! BTW I ride tubeless.

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nat-brown
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You actually ride! I thought this was a place for nerds with no social skills to hang out. Like a PhD defense or something. I'll have to find another place to lurk…

Seriously, you had me at the smiley face. And where is that? I confess a modicum of jealousy.

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pcmtb
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Of course this is a place for nerds with no social skills (aka. mtn bikers). Otherwise we would be building personal relationships instead of taking a break from watching porno. As far as that trail goes I'm very sorry to say that I wouldn't be an asshole if I told you about it.

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nat-brown
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Dude, come on. General geographic area please. Not co-ordinates to within the nearest square metre. I did have to bite my tongue (fingers) there you know. Throw me a fucking bone.

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pcmtb
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I'd be happy to lend you a tool on the trail, cover my headlamp while taking to you on a night ride or yield the trail to any female you might be riding with but sharing trail beta (that's how assholes say information) anonymously seems lame. However, that could all be the asshole talking, I just don't know anymore… It's Trail 157 should be on the Nat Geo Wasatch Front North map.

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nat-brown
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Could be? I'm sorry to say that you walk the talk too much for me. That was a nice photo though. Happy trails to you.

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nat-brown
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I just revised this after NSMB put a link on Facebook. You were winding everyone up here right?

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nat-brown
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I guess you like Kristen Butcher. I had to google the name to find out who she was, haha. That's an interesting way to frame your comment.

Funny, your least favourite part was my most favourite. It seems obvious to me that the perspective of many folks is wayyyyyy to close up. But that's not really your point is it? You don't like the irony. The hypocrisy. I wouldn't like that either, but I had the impression that Dave wasn't just venting, rather portraying a common view that comments are crazy using a personal example. Do you think comments are frequently whack? Maybe you think this comment is?

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cam@nsmb.com
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Are we talking about Kristin (with an i) Butcher? I had to google her as well.

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yyc
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The more suspension you have, the less tubeless matters. However, there is a massive difference in tire performance downwards from trail bike to XC to cyclocross to road as compared to a tube'd setup. Downhill and enduro is moot given the width and sidewall thicknesses of the tires. Fatbikes are better tubeless just to save the 1200g in tube weight. All setups leak air - tubes, tubeless and tubulars. Pretty rare to get away without checking your air pressure in any of these configurations. Tubeless technology is quite good when considering the design limitations and field-serviceability. Tubeless/bike tires could go the same direction as car tires but the rims would be 2x as thick and we'd need a hydraulic ram to seat the bead. Can't see too many riders lining up with their carbon hoops to wrestle on a tire with a crowbar just to avoid using a few ounces of tire sealant. If you want better sealant performance, add glitter to Stan's or buy some Orange Seal (glitter included).

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morgan-taylor
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Controversial title + TL;DR article = straight to the comments with an opinion.

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cam@nsmb.com
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Often it's unrelated to the length of the piece, because the comments are made on FB before a click through. Complaining About Trail Work was a great example but there have been a few lately.

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poo-stance
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I believe it was the Gwin video where the discuss comments are more civil than the ones on NSMB facebook page. That is slightly worrying.

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eatadick
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Go Hilary…. Fucking losers

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cam@nsmb.com
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I see your Hillary (that's how I spell it) and raise you a Trump.

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satn
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Uncle Dave - your articles are thought provoking and I look forward to them and the posts that go along with it. Keep it up. Btw are those Specialized Skins tubeless ready?

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pete@nsmb.com
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Indeed - Spesh calls 'em 2Bliss 😉

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poo-stance
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A real dream to install

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slimshady76
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Not too long ago a now sour, bitter journalist down here wrote a piece he dedicated to his young daughter. He said to her as people starts to get older, they start to compulsively categorize things in order to feel safer. "Hey, you're fat", "oh, I see you are blond, right-winged and like soccer; that's it, I can put you into one of my little category boxes, now you don't look harmful or menacing to me anymore". What I grasp from the online comments is people (including myself here) tends to feel any new position as potentially harmful to them, so they reject it as their first move. On a second thought they would probably give it a try, or even embrace it. But on the event of something new, our natural reaction is aversion.

So I ask myself, did we move that much forward from our fellow cavemen ancestors? Remember, the ones who cuddled in fear whenever a lightning stroke the ground? Are we becoming experts in fabricating our own portable caves (or echo chambers as you called them)? Is Internet our portable echo chamber? I know for sure I come to NSMB because I find opinions I can sympathize with. Does that make me a narrow-minded person? I like to think it doesn't. Simply because i come here (partly) in search of challenge. See, to me your posts (and many from the rest of the site's staff) aren't so much about delivering pre-masticated wisdom, but about lighting the fuse of doubt. The comment section under almost every post here gets flooded with thoughts most of the time get me thinking, re-considering something, or merely chuckling. But they DO have an impact. And to me, that's just precious.

And I thank you for that.

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Dirk
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I like that a lot. "lighting the fuse of doubt". That's amazing.

Can I steal that for the Uncle Dave motto?

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slimshady76
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Sure, but I'd like to call it a give back rather than a steal.

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jesse-wolfe
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Uncle Dave is one of my, no wait, IS my favorite MTB writer (besides myself of course) and this article aligns with my own thoughts. Is that the correct thing to do in the comments section? Or is this section for the trolls? Those faceless, spineless Palin adorers that have nothing valid to contribute and do it in 50,000 - 100,000 words? Okay, on to tubeless until my mind derails again.
I reluctantly went to tubeless on my trail monster (It's called Frankenreign, go figure) in the rear rubber one fine day because I don't even remember now. It felt a little different. It almost felt like going from bias-ply to radial tires on my truck. So at the beginning of this season I went the full Monte and had the shop do tubeless on the front. I would have preformed this myself, but it's messy and the guys at my local shop did it for practically nothing. Yep. Radials. That's as close as I can come to describing it. So now I run tubeless on my trail bike but stick to tubes on my DH rig. What the hell, it weighs it at just under "freight train" so who cares about a pound or two?
Anyway, this is the best article ever Uncle Dave!

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jesse-wolfe
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See that? I wrote that and came up with no conclusion or even made a point! I'm getting the social media thing!

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morgan-taylor
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Bias ply tires are supposed to be more supple than radials. But I like the comparison.

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