The monkey was my favorite! 😀
Keep your dogs at home. They are menace on the trails.
What happens if he crashes with arm brace still attached to bike?
Impressive! Calling it mountain bike parkour!
Young lady bikers bite.
Lee, you have to understand that reasonable conversation cannot continue when others want to call those in opposition nasty names, and taunt, rather than to discuss the issues at hand. Since this is also being written on NSMB.com "turf", it is no place for naysayers.
I am not condoning what Ms. Kraal did, but in her doing it, I see her more as rather naive, but determined. I sympathize with her because I understand her frustration. I have heard many stories from people over the years about hiker- biker conflicts on the North Shore, and elsewhere. It is not all "smelling like roses" in the woods. Don't fool yourself into thinking that it is.
What if some mountain bikers were fined, or charged, rather than rewarded, for "unsanctioned" activities inside the public forests, and DNV did not go out of their way to "sanction" the trails in 2008, but to enforce their many environmental protection laws/bylaws, etc.? You would all be in the same boat as Ms. Kraal.
There are many of us who see what mountain bikers are doing as a form of ecological vandalism, and "sabotage" of a different sort. We have very different worldviews. Never the twain shall meet.
That is all I have left to say, here. Another time, another place… maybe, Lee.
Why were these incidents not reported to DNV, much earlier, if this was the case? And, if it was, why did DNV do nothing to resolve the issue before it got to this point? That is what has been bothering me about this whole issue. Also, why was the Kraal's letter not taken seriously by the District, and the mountain biking community, at the time?
I just see DNV giving the dirty work for the MTB community to do, in more ways than just with this issue. You may not see it that way, but there is a lot of things happening that do not make any sense, when you stop to take a look at the bigger picture.
I spoke with Mayor Walton, recently, about my concerns, and he told me point blank that the District has no control over what goes on inside their mountains! That took me by surprise, but also explained a lot. It seems to mean a carte blanche for the MTB community, but it could also become a greater liability for it, also.
This is troubling news. And it should be for you, too. I believe the MTB community is being "used" by the District, for whatever means to an end. I am no longer angry, just resigned to the fate of Fromme -- whatever that may become. And soon, the fate of the Upper Lands in Cypress…
Too bad the Kraals never spoke to me in the early years. I could have told them that it was futile to try to stop mountain bikers with logs and rocks, or whatever, and wrong. Even words, like mine, don't seem to make a dent in the MTB wave. So be it! But, as the old story goes -- one wrong will get punished, while MTBing wrongs have been rewarded. Go figure, eh? "Lovely".
I will now take my leave from this futile conversation on MTB issues. What will be, will be.
I was not accusing "Matt" of anything. I was making a general statement on the double standards I am seeing.
That sounds more like a description of the mountain biking collective, Gord. You bikers have taken too much and want so much more. You clap when people like Tina are caught, but applaud those from within the MTB community who do the same. (See my comment to "Matt", below). I am just pointing out the obvious. There is a clear double standard, here.
Why is it okay for individuals in mountain biking community to set bigger traps for "STRAVAdouches", and gain approval for it by the others in the MTB community? Some biker could get hurt, you know.
I don't believe for one moment that the Kraals were trying to injure anyone. They have been doing it for years, and the mountain bikers already knew about the sabotage for as long. The Kraals were likely trying to slow down the bikers, much like those placing logs and rocks on their trails that may have been braided or shortcut taken by STRAVA racers. They don't want to injure, but to stop them from doing more damage. It is a thin line that is being walked by mountain bikers. Depending on what the outcome of Kraal's sentencing, it could prove to backfire on a grudge victory.
Let's put this little 'victory' into better perspective, shall we? Remember, mountain bikers' own little structures/objects built inside the NS woods have injured, maimed (and killed) more than a few people over the years. You can count your lucky stars that nobody has ended up suing the NSMBA and the District, so far. What goes around usually comes around.This is called karma, kiddies. And, 'lucky stars' has a precarious shelf life.
Can everyone be trusted to distinguish between logs, branches, and other forest debris from natural causes on this double diamond trail? I see a slippery slope of mob mentality happening here. There was recent tree fall reported on Upper Skull, for example.
Nature sabotages trails all the time. Tree fall across the trails and on top of various structures.Whether you hike or bike, you can get hurt by nature's sabotage just being inside the forest e.g. a falling branch. It almost happened to me on one hike. The courts have to prove that the intent to injure was there. Or was it just to slow down speeding bikes? The media hasn't helped to calm the storm.