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Dec. 28, 2016, 12:44 p.m.
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Mark Wood vs the NSMBA

Anyone else think that Mark Wood's contributions to the Shore should be recognized in a formal way? Community award, plaque somewhere on the shore? It seems to me that he's done mostly good stuff for the mtb community.

Add Peter Morin to the mix. A VOLUNTEER FOR DECADES. Ran into Peter and Rob M doing trailwork on the Singing Pass in Whistler. He's selflessly put thousands of hours into trails, the vast majority without pay.

I'd add Digger to that mix too but Sharon and Wade and Rocky put up a plaque and a bench for him at the Ladies' trailhead already. Also thousands of hours of volunteer trailwork over decades

Dec. 25, 2016, 8:07 p.m.
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Mark Wood vs the NSMBA

Ewan asked me to post this on this behalf as he is very relaxed post Christmas beers

Ewan feels very honoured by the nomination by his good friend TheDon and the good knowledgeable non-judgmental kind people at NSMB. However he wishes to remind his fanclub that it is ski season and lots of time during the rest of the year to put up trailwork pictures. He feels it is time for him to shred hundred of meters of virgin pow with his friends the CMHC Rogue Crew and of course THE Asian Adonis. And he sez "I have a real job now"

dalbello #intuitionliners #cantfeelmyfeet #powinmyface #loraxbesttrailever #tecnicablizzard #skibc #visitpemberton #touringbootsgofundme

Nov. 30, 2016, 10:53 a.m.
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Close one yesterday

I could see how you could get lost in that zone. Try to explain to someone from out of town how to get from Hyannis to GSM! I wonder what some solid signage would cost? Maybe even some cheap plastic one 10 ft into trail heads to curb confusion at intersections. Maybe CMHC would pay for it? GoFundMe for signage? Or just leave it..Meh. Trailforks works pretty great for most of us I guess

It needs better signage. Talking to RSTBC about it

Nov. 26, 2016, 9:25 a.m.
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letter from CMHC

Did the NSMBA build all the trails on CMHC land? I don't think that they did. Do many (but not all) 'rogue' builders build trails, then just leave them to erode and rot away while they move on to the next trail? Maybe…. I know LL does shed loads of trail maintenance, but I still don't understand the need for taking pot shots at the NSMBA over taking over the maintenance of largely abandoned trails. .

Tom is right. I was referring mainly to new trails. Of which the NSMBA is by far the main builder.

You also miss the point again. In my opinion, all trailwork is good trailwork whether by the official trail body or independents. My criticism is not the NSMBA's trailwork in the CMHC or any of their sanctioned work My criticism is over the NSMBA's "you're with us against or against us" mentality seen in the NSMBA's DNA and which led them to be so hostile to independent trailwork in the CMHC while simultaneously doing the bulk of CMHC trailwork. This meant they could never have a coherent story for doing work in the CMHC without it sounding like a house of cards.

Other local area organizations (SORCA, WORCA, FVMBA, PVTA) have independent builders. None of them carry out unsanctioned trailwork. None of them are so similarly hostile to independent builders.

Moving on and moving forward. It's pretty clear (massive) mistakes were made in relation to CMHC trailwork by the sanctioned North Shore trail organization. Coun. Mathew Bond and the DNV did 99% of the work in clearing up these mistakes. How to avoid those mistakes in the future? IMO a big first step would involve recognizing what mistakes were made. And IMO communication with independents would be a good start. And also IMO adopting ethically defensible positions would be another good start.

i am personally hopeful that the new board can guide staff and the organization to recognize that mistakes were made. At the same time I am hopeful that the new board can move away from the toxic "us against them" mentality and learn from Pemberton, Squamish, Fraser Valley and Whistler as to how to work with independents

Nov. 25, 2016, 6:49 p.m.
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letter from CMHC

I just would like to know why an organization states they work with the landowners when it appears that they do not.

So who exactly is making these decisions to build new trails? Is it rogue builders?

A worthwhile question to ask at the Town Hall.

Especially in the context of NSMBA 101 presented by Vince (which you pointed out) see - some excerpts

At this time the CMHC is not an engaged land manager and as a result there is
no policy on mountain bike trails on their land. There is currently no official
permitting for trail building on CMHC land either. The NSMBA does not have any
direct contact with the CMHC.

The NSMBA advocates against the constructions of trails or features which have
not been authorized or permitted by the land managers.

The context of this discussion was the 2014 Townhall when Vince initially presented NSMBA 101. The NSMBA 101 document initial draft was very strong in condemning any work they deemed to be "rogue" and unsanctioned - in particular any work being carried out in the CMHC. When I pointed out to Vince that the NSMBA was by far the largest builder in the CMHC and that they had been actively working on trails in the CMHC since the 2010s, the NSMBA then made edits to NSMBA 101 document to the effect that the NSMBA's negative stance towards rogue and unsanctioned trails were only in the context of lands where "Trails or features built … [where] the NSMBA has a formal work agreement with a Land Manager.

It was never explained or made clear to me why a trail organization purporting to work only on trails in a sanctioned setting and with the OK of a land manager could justify working in the CMHC without permission, yet also condemn independent builders for also working in the CMHC without permission.

Perhaps if you ask the NSMBA this question you can get an answer.

Nov. 5, 2016, 6:26 p.m.
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Forum Moderation.

Imo let the posts stay. Let people incriminate themselves. Let them state lies or say stupid things.

For example I was disappointed when stalker dubprof falsely accused Sharon of cutting trees on Dreamweaver and the thread got deleted. Imo that thread should have stayed

Oct. 30, 2016, 8:17 a.m.
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No Trespassing signs on CMHC lands and trails

For the sake of being complete here is a post by someone logged in as Hazen Colbert on the North Shore News.

Link is here

Hazen Colbert North Vancouver
20 hours ago

"I will be meeting with the NSMBA and its legal counsel in November to discuss, among other things, respectful and reasonable trail use by mountain bikers. I will ask the NSMBA to abide by International Mountain Bike Association guidelines that all bike trails be signed and one-way, and that bikers dismount when approaching hikers and equestrians.. I will request the NSMBA, who receive $100,0000 a year from the DNV with no requirement they account for how the money is spent, respect the DNV's anti-bullying policy or their grant will be at risk I will also raise with DNV Council a requirement that all mountain bike trail users require a permit with a nominal fee, and that irresponsible behaviour including irresponsible riding and unauthorized trail and structure building result in revocation of the permit and a ban on access to what are public lands as is the case elsewhere. Trails are for all including hikers, runners and dog walkers, stakeholders who have a right to safety on public land."

Oct. 30, 2016, 8:17 a.m.
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No Trespassing signs on CMHC lands and trails

Credit goes to the DNV and Councillor Bond for the heavy lifting on the CMHC issues. Please note this not over yet as details of how the CMHC and RSTBC will collaborate with all users has not been ironed out yet. Please also note that the CMHC and RSTBC statememt did not address organized or commercial events. Therefore the status of trail running clinjcs, the Kneeknacker, BCBR, Fivers or organized trail days is still indeterminate.

Oct. 29, 2016, 11:50 a.m.
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NSMBA AGM - Call for Directors

Echo hecklers question.

Will there be an opportunity beforehand to ask questions of directors and candidates?

Who's returning as directors? Couldn't see a reference to the two year termers. Apologies if I missed it.

There's some minor typos on the 2016 agenda btw. Just some date references in the PDF to 2014-5. Should be 2015-6

March 9, 2016, 5:58 p.m.
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A Chainsaw for Smiling Sean

Donated! From Shar and Lee

Feb. 14, 2016, 10:18 a.m.
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No Respect

and just to mix it up and derail here are some trailwork timelapses

Some slab riding in Squampton

and some more Squampton riding

Feb. 10, 2016, 10:42 a.m.
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Best Skinnies on the Shore?

Thanks for the replies everyone! Can't wait to get out and check out these trails, especially when more of the woodwork dries out. Gave Pink Starfish a go last weekend, but most of the woodwork was stricken with green death.

Shame to hear about Digger's trail. It looked amazing on video.

Am I right in saying that flow is in and tech is out these days?

Tech is a loose term. Steep natural trails are still enjoyed by many in cypress. But i know when I do trail work or build a section that if something is remotely tech that I had better put in an optional "flow" or easier line since 9 out of 10 people will ride the easier line over the tech/harder line. It's just the way it is.

Boundary as mentioned is still something I love riding for the woodwork. Our plan is to resurrect the skinnies on C-buster. I've been mulling the idea of taking a cordless scrubber up to get some of the worse of the green slime off the woodwork. They're fine in the dry but death in the wet.

Feb. 10, 2016, 10:37 a.m.
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PSA: "Special warning issued by coroner, Avalanche Canada, prior to B.C.'s Family Day

that's actually a more complete one than what I had read, the one I saw was a report from the party that assisted in the search and dig

Honest and frank discussion of what they did. A good case study

Feb. 7, 2016, 5:37 p.m.
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WORCA multiyear funding

Kind of needed its own thread

50k a year for three years and more possible going forward

"It works out to roughly $166 per kilometre dedicated to some of Whistler’s most popular tourist draws.

The Resort Municipality of Whistler (RMOW) has entered into a Fee for Service Agreement with one of the community’s largest sports clubs — the Whistler Off Road Cycling Association (WORCA). The three-year deal hands $50,000 to the organization per year to maintain and upgrade more than 300 kilometres of biking and hiking trails.

It’s a necessary step, WORCA’s director of trails Nina Cairns said. Up until now the heavy lifting was done through donated volunteer hours and funding secured annually through the RMOW’s Community Enhancement Program. Last year the association received $21,500 for trail maintenance, while the price tag attached to covering WORCA’s bike camp and trail work came to $166,000."

- See more at:"

and more

"p 130

In the summer months Whistler opens its doors to around 1.2 Million visitors.
During that time Lost Lake and the Whistler trail network have traditionally seen around
30,000 mountain bikers out on the trails, and this amount continues to grow.
This figure accounts for a whopping 40% of the guests visiting the resort. "

FYI the 30k number was from rough WORCA counts and also for the 2006 EIS. I have no doubt this number is now much higher

"WORCA has a dedicated team of Trail builders over the summer months. In 2015 the
crew consisted of 1 full-time project leader, 2 full-time builders, 3 full-time labourers
and 2 part-time labourers. "

and no doubt there's countless volunteers too. All trailwork appreciated.

Tip of the hat to WORCA, Nina, Todd et al

Feb. 4, 2016, 5:53 p.m.
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Trail Recommendations - Video Project 2016

not that I recall, lee….I rode Tenquille a few weeks after they wrapped mop up on the fire, that was super rad…

Banger! We rode it the next year when fireweed was coming out but before the sun dessicated the trailbed

and then Della when we did a post firm rebuild. Can't remember where the work was after the fire - only FB pics for some reason[HTML_REMOVED]type=1[HTML_REMOVED]hc_location=ufi

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