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Ask Uncle Dave: Why are people too lazy to work on trails? - June 20, 2017, 10:10 a.m.

Along with Shar I've built a few trails and maintain more.  If someone wants to help that's great. But a lot of the work I do is spur of the moment so not much warning. Some of the work is mid ride as tools are cached close by (note to other builders in Seymour - hide your stuff well - I had a pack and buckets/sieve pinched).

A lot of times I just pound away at trailwork as a change from a deskjob.  It's cool to build something tangible or maintain an already nice line as opposed to making paper.   While it's nice if people help I don't give much advance warning because I don't know myself.    Long story short - just go donate to a local trail org.  Or what Jerry said.  Because Jerry is right

Ask Uncle Dave: Why are people too lazy to work on trails? - June 20, 2017, 10:05 a.m.

I'm with Jerry

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 12, 2017, 3:56 p.m.

You know when you said you weren't a journalist? You were right. You gave Sam an easy out and didnt press him on tough questions.

I'd say you weren't doing your job except you admitted you weren't committed to doing it.

Would you like to continue this further? Write another article about a controversial topic and get defensive when people ask you questions. That seems to work really well

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 12, 2017, 3:20 p.m.

No. I was asking you a question. You provided an answer in this article.

You're writing an article about a sensitive topic and saying its lame for people to ask you questions? Think about what you just said.

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 12, 2017, 7:44 a.m.

OK - edit - "Many Pinkbike comments were on point.

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 9:26 p.m.

Sloppy language on my part. Some manufacturers make the argument that pedelecs are merely pedal assisted mountain bikes on the basis that they are merely pedal assisted and have no throttle. Accordingly that pedelecs should be treated as mountain bikes. The manufacturers making this argument are those who are making pedelecs

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 8:01 p.m.

The US Wilderness Act and regs mechanized vs non mechanized distinction is particular to the US and does allow legal sleight of hand to equate pedelecs to mountain bikes. Canada's motorized vs non-motorized distinction. Speaking for myself I could not argue as an advocate that pedelecs are non-motorized - at least not with a straight face

Now if you in your personal capacity or your employer can see an argument for pedelecs to be treated as non motorized and therefore as mountain bikes you are more than welcome to volunteer to take on that task. But its YOUR task to undertake. Is that fair?

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 6:03 p.m.

When the time comes and if people who start using e-bikes start advocating for them that will be a good thing. And if organically trail systems evolve to accommodate different trail use patterns caused by ebike use that would be a good thing too. Its my sincere hope that people who want ebikes will step up and take care of things on the advocacy end. But my experience is that this won't happen and that ebike issues get offloaded onto mtb advocates. Hopefully I will be proven wrong.

I completely agree with the statement in your last sentence.

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 5:41 p.m.

And I'm telling you right now - when there aren't a lot of e-bikes around, that approach is what the trail orgs have taken. But you'd have to be blind to not see that there will be more e-bikes (industry is pushing them hard). So the trail advocates "not my problem" position is changing. Because, like it or not, it will be the trail advocates' problem..

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 5:37 p.m.

I've not spent time much biking in Mexico and then only in Baja. I would like to go to Oaxaca but haven't gotten to it yet so excuse me if I'm assuming too much. The Mexicans I've met riding tell me that there aren't that many bikes on most trail areas and there isn't that much trail conflict. So if that's the case I can definitely see your point of view.

I don't know about the erosion effects not having ridden them long enough and having no experience in a heavily e-biked area. Having ridden a pedelec, a Bionicon, a Lev (and some other brand I can't recall) I know e-bikes will mean trails get ridden in a different way. Is it a better way or would it cause issues? I don't know - that's way too specific to a trail system. I suspect the speed difference climbing will cause issues because of human nature; closing speeds between climbers and descenders (or hikers/bikers) on traditional two way trails will increase and some people using e-bikes will be assholes and will buzz others. I agree that's not a problem unique to ebikes but generic to humans.

My concern is that the LMs and other trail groups will have negative perceptions to ebikes - lumping them in with motorized. And that this negative perception will spill over to mountain bikes.

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 4:27 p.m.

Right back atcha with some sampling. There were a lot of for/againsts Of course cherrypicked to support my narrative as that article got many comments

flag billyballa33 (Dec 15, 2016 at 10:33)
@makripper: Tech that helps people do what they love is awesome! But my main concern with Mountain Mopeds or EMTB as they are marketed ( and I think I share this with mostly everyone that is against them) is that this specific tech might actually make "access" and I mean trail access more difficult for the entire MTB community. There's no way of knowing for sure, but that's my main concern. I also haven't seen anything at all from the Ebike supporters/advertisers/pushers that even shows they care about that. I'd rather see the person sharing the trail with me on an Ebike than a horse but that's just me. Ebike advertising and selling needs to overcome that main concern to get me over the line into the relm of not caring about them. Right now I'm against them for MTB!

flag makripper (Dec 15, 2016 at 10:40)
@billyballa33: I totally see your point. why will it cause issues? why will it make things harder? If you are designing and building regulated trails at trail centers that are expecting heavy use, shouldn't your trails be solid enough to handle anything?
I'm not sure about the whole for or against trail access issue but I can see it being more fuel to the fire for certain groups. It might actually cause a stalemate. Yes, they could potentially do more damage if the trails aren't built properly but if they are and aren't causing more damage, then why is it an issue? If you got together with the people with Ebikes then its more BIKERS joined together with a larger voice and better numbers.
If you shun them out, you are only f*cking yourself really.

There aren't many ebike riders around where I live. The ones that use them, really need them. They have some sort of disabilty that makes it so actual mountain biking is out of the question. A bit of help with an assist system, and they don't have to sit at home being depressed and getting no exercise and not enjoying life.

these pinkbikers complaining are missing the human side of the equation. It's sickening.

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 4:20 p.m.

The decades long history of how and why we in SW BC got so much trail access and so much liberty to build the trails we did is based almost 100% on arguments by trail advocates who came long before me that mountain bikes are human-powered. And we used the whole human-powered story and wrapped ourselves in the same cloak of self-sufficiency as hikers and therefore we should have the same access as hikers. This actually worked and its why we have the incredible access we have.

I see that false equivalency about driving to trails or using funiculars or whatever all the time. It's a crazy leap of logic. It's very common for other users to use a car or a bus or funicular to get to trails. However when a non- motorized user is on the TRAIL then they're non-motorized. Like it or not that is the argument that trail advocates for biking have used to get access to trails.

You and Gavitron seem to be fixated on the help with climbing part. TO ME, that is not the issue. The issue is that one is motorized (ebikes), and one isn't (human powered) bikes. Mixing one with the other will cause huge issues in the eyes of Land Managers and other user groups.

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 4:02 p.m.

" In particular that they should not be referred to as mountain bikes. Have they though?"

Yes by manufacturers who guise ebikes as merely pedelecs and therefore slipped under the category of Mountain-bikes

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 4 p.m.

I actually didn't think it was a particularly fair question to ask you but I asked it anyway. You're not the manufacturer. You're not the party directly profiting out of ebikes. I actually did see that Sam did not answer the question. I would have been surprised if he did. Rhetorically speaking why on earth would Specialized want to expend the vast resources necessary to advocate for ebikes region by region at a local level. Far easier and far more pragmatic to take the approach they have taken right now with efforts at a high-level.

I do still maintain that manufacturers like Specialized, and in the near future Rocky and Norco et al should be the persons answering these questions. Like I said I didn't expect either you or Dirk/Dave to do so but maybe I was hoping that you in the Specialized interview would press the manufacturers harder on that and not let Sam get away with the copout (poor Sam - how could he really answer?).

As for writing an article, I've got to prioritize what I do. I literally spent hundreds of hours on the whole CMHC debacle. And am spending hours and hours writing about transitions for the society act. I frankly see the whole e-bike thing as so politicized, such a minefield and so polarizing that I'm not willing to put out another article about it. My EXPERIENCE is that all significant Sea-to-sky land managers are regulating ebikes as there will be very few places they can ride. So in my local neck of the woods e-bikes will be dead anyhow so why even spend much energy on the issue. Now in areas like the SSC or the Cariboo/Chilcotin where there's less population pressure there'll be ebikes running around - but really that aint' my problem as I don't live there. So basically its just laziness on my part. Also its an almost foregone conclusion that I'll get non-answers from the manufacturers of the world who will gladly put out ebikes and offload the advocacy onto others and call anyone who doesn't like it NIMBYS

Talking E-bikes With Uncle Dave - Jan. 11, 2017, 3:48 p.m.

Nat it ain't so easy. And its not naive on your part. How could you know? I've said myself and you're acknowledged that the whole advocacy process for MTB's is politicized, loaded with a lot of baggage and almost always more complicated then it should be for such a minor little activity.

Worca or SORCA or the NSMBA or other orgs can't wave their hands in the air and compartmentalize and just say to LMs ebikes are not our problem. Whether we (meaning trail advocates) like it or not e-bikes become the trail systems problem. The LM's look to advocates for guidance there. We cannot compartmentalize and just say to LMs ebikes are not our problem - YOU deal with it..

Fact is ebikes are a trail orgs problem because of their very existence, their use and how they've been introduced as entrants to trail systems with minimal discussion

Fact is ebikes are a trail orgs problem because of their very existence, their use and how they've been introduced with zero discussion by manufacturers offloads a large kettle of fish onto trail advocates. Then you get the situation where some (many, all?) manufacturers trying to play the game that its only a pedelec so that an ebike should be treated like a (non-motorized) mountain bike and therefore permitted to run on any trails open to mountain bikes. My contention is that LMs and other trail groups don't buy that argument. The manufacturers should step into the breach and advocate for that point of view on the local level if they want to make that argument. By not doing so, the advocacy load transfers to the local bike advocacy group; no matter how much the local advocacy group tries to compartmentalize and step away from it.

For me, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the manufacturers introduce ebikes, introduce the baggage that comes with ebikes into the trail- access conversation and get a free-ride off advocacy efforts. I agree with Todd that the minimal efforts manufacturers have made to date to help with the trail access conversation effort with respect to ebikes are not close to sufficient

Btw - you asked the question respectfully and I hope you can see I am trying to answer it the same way

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