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> gotta love clean air.

I've seen the sky in vancouver look exactly the same, it's called overcast. They have blue sky there too….

yes for a while I was, I just sold it and my new commuter bike is now orange

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Fast-Orange

But the CCP didn't massacre 10 000 students in Tianan men square.

yeah, seeing as it was only about 2600 and not in Tiananmen square I guess that makes it ok then?

I would say shooting unarmed peaceful protestors and shooting at a crowd that is trying to kill you are two very very different things

Seriously if you guys stop being so dismissive of it and actually look into it it's not some denier conspiracy theory. Every year more and more newspapers starts referring to it as the "events of june 4th" or "the killings that occured outside the square"

Posted by: TooSteep

Posted by: Fast-Orange

Posted by: ReductiMat

Pretty sad that those living in Hong Kong can't see the benevolent overtures of what a Chinese rule can give us, amirite FO.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/c1ebd0/timelapse_of_a_2_million_marchers_in_a_city_with/

Notice how not only is Beijing not slaughtering anyone but they are also conceding to the demands? How does that fit into your brutal CCP narrative?

Bad optics. Xi may be a ruthless dictator, but one has to give him credit for playing the long game. He will have his facial rec teams pouring over the photos for years, trying to identify and tag them all. And when the state finally decides to come for them, their lives are over.

That is the fundamental difference between your beloved CCP and western nations. We have spent centuries building reasonably effective institutions that protect us from the state. The vast majority of our legal infrastructure isn't about 'catching bad guys' ... it's about making it difficult for the state to BE the bad guy! Yeah, it's not perfect (particularly when you are poor), and it is regularly abused by bad actors (particularly when you are wealthy), but it is still a lot better than a totalitarian, authoritarian state where the individual has no rights.

Canada's non-corrupt, independent judicial system is the reason why a whopping 300,000+ out of 7,400,000 Hong Kong'ers keep legal Canadian residency status in their back pocket. They know that the CCP massacred 10,000 innocent protestors in Tiananmen Square, and they will do it again. The CCP will stop at nothing to prevent societal 'turbulence'. Nobody who has tasted freedom wants any part of the CCP and your dear leader. All of the countries in the world where everyone actually wants to live are those with the best rankings in worldwide corruption indexes: Denmark, Switzerland, New Zealand etc.

Step back and think how beautiful a thing it is when courts throw out laws and rulings made by the current governing party. I often think that protecting innocent individuals from the state is the greatest achievement of western civilization ... after the dropper post.

But the CCP didn't massacre 10 000 students in Tianan men square.

Posted by: ReductiMat

FO, would love to hear the corporate spin on this one..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/chinese-border-guards-surveillance-app-tourists-phones

I assume that's happening here too.

Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: Fast-Orange

Hey I don't remember claiming the CCP was better than ours or our besties to the south. Just not that much worse

However, you are claiming to know the truth.

I'm claiming that in some areas regarding China I know more than you. To know the truth about China as an outsider is impossible.

Posted by: tungsten

The mountains are high and the emperor is far away. 

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/21/hong-kong-is-far-from-chinas-biggest-problem/

Facts.

Hey I don't remember claiming the CCP was better than ours or our besties to the south. Just not that much worse

Tl:dr until North American media starts telling the true story of what happened on June 4th 1989 I'm not gonna automatically believe anything they say about China ever.

People def died in Beijing. But that's always gonna happen when people start killing soldiers. 

300 PLA were killed that day, either by being burned alive or beaten to death and about 1000 civilians some of whom were combatants but mostly innocent people caught up in the crossfire. Hard to avoid that though when you're a soldier fighting for your life in a heavily populated area. 

When they finally arrived at chang' an avenue after hours of battle they ordered the students to leave the square and allowed them to do so. They did not open fire on the unarmed students. 

People even get the motivations for the protests wrong. They weren't demanding western style capitalist democracy. They were demanding a more transparent and egalitarian form of communism. The privatizing of state companies by Deng Xiaoping in the 80's caused chaos, and massive amounts of corruption and unemployment. The two biggest demands of the protesters was for a free press and for government officials to report their earnings. 

If you ask why do so many news sources report on the massacre of students then I will answer with most of them actually don't. North American news sources are pretty much the only ones in the world that still perpetuate the lie that the PLA gunned down unarmed students in Tiananmen square.

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: Fast-Orange

Posted by: ReductiMat

Pretty sad that those living in Hong Kong can't see the benevolent overtures of what a Chinese rule can give us, amirite FO.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/c1ebd0/timelapse_of_a_2_million_marchers_in_a_city_with/

Notice how not only is Beijing not slaughtering anyone but they are also conceding to the demands? How does that fit into your brutal CCP narrative?

Optics my friend.  They can't erase what they do there like they did 30 years ago.  XJ is a gangster and doesn't concede unless there is a plan to win down the road.

What you think happened 30 years ago was fake news.