The message says Rad Bike more fun, less shuttle. Problem with pedal assist is people want this purist thing, like disc brakes on road bikes. Get over it. But most of all E-bike riders do need to be educated on possible conflict with other trail users mtb, hikers, horses etc. just like all mtb. riders.
E-bikes are going to become a thing we will all have to deal with them, we need to make decisions that are thought through, not knee-jerk reactions.
I for one am all for e-mtb's. The problem is the people who like everything else can quickly screw things up. This goes for people on non pedal assist bikes as well. If we go ripping past hikers, joggers, pet walkers doesn't matter what we're riding, it paint's a bad impression.
I agree that there has to be conversation on the topic of access so we do not have a knee jerk reaction like washington state and just outright ban them.
Hate if you want that's your opinion. But e-mtb's are coming
P.S. Thanks for the article
We're just going to cut all the vegetation out, flatten the hills and build some more bizillien dollar houses there next week get over it.
Yeah I can vouch for this study, Recently competed in the Gryphon in Squamish and met one couple that came all the way from Sweden just to ride the shore,sea to sky, the island and Golden in the month that they are going to be in Can. Many others from Washington State- Oregon It was awesome to meet so many people from other parts of the world. Let's keep pressure on the politicians to grow our sport.
Mrutter you sir are a closed minded nitwit. I hope the air up there where have your head stuck sufficates you.
This is the type of attitude that keeps N.A. way behind the rest of the world.
And yes I am one of those that spend 2-3 hours riding around fromme and seymour plus the valley, in a word climbing sucks.
So why do you need a gun like this? Is it the mentality that I've got a bigger button than you? Guess where that will get you, us, civilization. Unfortunately it comes down to multi-billion dollar industries that form and direct governments and our only recourse is to stand up in unity and get companies to take notice and we can only hope it continues so hopefully policies get changed in goverment
I call B.S. on that Cam. I sucked up all the hype of Cushcore. My First go on them at the Squamish enduro race on the first stage I some how broke the valve stem lost air pressure and destroyed my ENVE rim. I have since put them in some ARC 30 rims and they have work well but at 20 psi front and 22 psi rear. Trying to get the tires off after a couple of months was an absolute f'n nightmare. I'm staying with no cushcore on my new carbon rims and carrying tubeless plugs and running 22-24 psi. Have had zero issues.
Ergon lite tubes go to website and says US only. What gives no Cad. shopping allowed?
Boy Lance you sure are a close minded goof, "no one is trying to murder us (unless you count the drunk people on eBikes)" what a stupid ignorant statement. I know the some of the North American market has a hate on for pedal assist bikes, because they are scared of them and are so uneducated about them, that they have no conscious of what they bring to the table. You the writers are the ones that are fueling the bad press about them and as far as I'm concerned you are the ones creating access issues with your undoubtedly BS. about Pedal assist bikes. Which in the end land managers look at as all bikes to be kept out of our back country areas.
Going to laugh my ass of in a couple of years when you the writers are going to have nothing to write about but the progression of pedal assist bikes and how they have helped on access issues and the improvements they have made for our sport. lol
Wow that is sick riding and the wheels don't seem to squirm only the tires just as it should be!!!
Trail erosion not true get your facts right, more laps hell ya. It's about education one person on a regular bike blowing up berms does a hundred more times damage in one run than a e-mtb riding a couple of more laps.
Damm right higher climbing speeds but that happens with regular bikes as well and do people run into the back of each other, not likely unless ur that dick. Same with going down.
Roots machines get educated dude they have sealed power units and would be very difficult to mod.
Worca is scared and do not know how to deal with them because of the rentals around the village because you are potentially going to get a bunch of drunk fucks doing stupid shit and inevitably injuring someone or something. I get that part
This is true I'm not sure of Todd's or Vernon's stances on the issue of access or compatibility. Ido know that R.C. is totally against them. Which is his right what ever cool. I would think being so close minded as Skiers where to Snowboarders back in the day that having conversation, creative conversation would enlighten people to the fact that pedelecs are not going away. How can we integrate them into our biking community. As Nat Brown suggests possibly defining them as an entity other that pure bicycle and not a motorcycle.
Then we can move forward and come up with places as Uncle Dave suggests to ride or not to ride. But it has to be done in a constructive scenario, not in the not in my back yard when there are no "real" dangers to other users.
P.S. There are always going to be dicks out on the trails whether on bikes or running or dog walkers that want the trails all to themselves. Just like the lady that was recently charged for mischief. As a group we need to stand together not fight amongst each other and I believe education is the best way to move forward.
Oh how I love this debate, great way to get the blood flowing.
First off I have to say stick it where the sun don't shine to uncle Dave for suggesting that the Coastal Crew ruined there carriers by putting out a great vid of them riding pedelecs and showing what they can do Bravo. It's not unlike any other video out there and if it wouldn't have had a note that they where on pedelecs none would of been the wiser.
Nat you bring up a very interesting point and one that the industry should look at. Good on you. I could support something like that.
Brente explain how pedelecs could ruin trails? If you believe that they will be racing up to 25km assisted on your local single track you might want to check out your KOM leaders times and speeds! Yes we can agree there is a small electric motor on pedelecs that is only activated when energy is put into it otherwise it don't work. As for your access issues it's all about liability down south and he said she said. OK I might be a little off here but reality says I'm close. You should first off get with industry and see what assistance they can give and hey what Nat was mentioning maybe finding a new classification for them.
I had a go with A.M. on the TLM article. Now Andrew is very pointed that he has no room for pedelecs on trails and for the most part his argument is that it takes away from the real sensation from being out in the forest. He is scared that trails that are hard to get to are going to be over run by e-mtbs. If the trails are that far out only guys that know them are going to be riding them, there is not going to be a huge influx of riders that are going to be hitting those trails. Andrew also mentions issues with pedelecs in the Whistler corridor, well once again check the KOM of those trails and you'll see guys on non assist bikes ripping them (over 25km.)
Andrew I feel your article very cynical. You make your opinion very evident that you dislike pedelecs and that they do not belong anywhere on trails in a very innuendo way. Ever thought of running for a political party. Why can't you just be happy for TLM, he is out enjoying the forest like many other user groups- shuttlers, horseback riders, park lift riders and people that drive their pollution pumping cars all are assisted in one form or another.
Pedelecs do not destroy trails up or down, proven fact. Andrew your a purist whatever that really means. I'm good with that and I will not fault you for that but there are people out in the world that are willing to try different variations of sports. ie snowboarding comes to mind it was not a purist sport they where not even allowed on chairlifts. the whole argument was that they where going to kill the ski runs by sliding down them. Now look where they are some 30 years later.
We as a community need to come together. One argument that was mentioned earlier was that harder trails that are farther out are going to get ruined by all the extra traffic they may get. I have to say that if that is the case the trail was poorly constructed with out much thought to lay out. What is going to hurt us more is a contest put out by a certain movie wanting clips of people ROOSTING BERMS. though fun to some extent, ruins trails.
Stop fighting each other, just because it is a different form of our sport we need to come together to further our cause for access etc.
For the record no I don't ride an e-bike, but I have been around since Todd started building illegal trails on the shore back in the late 80's. I was there when Ernest Christ tried to kill MTB's from the shore in the 90's as well. I live to ride and ride to live.
My 2 cents