I like what Santa Cruz is doing here: Putting bearings in the links. If the bores are toast. Swap the link or repair it, not the whole frame.
I just read a great article about this very question. One launch/flight with the virgin or SpaceX tourism space craft uses/emits about as much kerosene/co2 as one intercontinental flight (New York - Paris or similar) with a big air liner with around 300 passengers.
So that's a lot of emissions to keep some billionaires or millionaires entertained for a couple of minutes. But at the same time if you take into account how many average people / airliners fly every day that's a staggering amount of CO2.
Now, imagine if space tourism would become a Joe Average thing, cheap and affordable, so everyone could do it for fun...
Great discussion with lots of interesting and substantial viewpoints and remarkably civil for a topic which touches climate change. That's why I love nsmb.com and the user base on here! Thank you all very much!
At the same time, every kg of greenhouse gas that isn’t emitted helps. Even if we fail the 1.5deg goal (which ist pretty likely), the more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the more drastic the changes will be and probably also faster.
There’s a margin between somewhat livable and apocalyptic which isn’t 0/1.
Please do what you can, even if other people don’t. It DOES make a difference. Even if it is only perceivable on a personal scale. It will be scientifically measurable without doubt with 8 billion people.
Regarding cycling and emissions. On one hand, spending calories for fun isn’t efficient.
But if you stick to riding to the trails instead of driving all the time, use your fitness for commuting and replace your bikes/equipment only when it fails, there are many worse ways of recreation in the developed countries.
And I’d wager people who spend time on trails (or even maintain trails) will develop a certain sense for nature and keeping it intact.
Cool article, central topic and good of Trek to be (comparably) forward with this data. Sustainability and repairability should be a fixed, important criteria for all reviews on nsmb.com!
For me it is a toss up between a Wheeler Wasp full suspension frame I bought like new, but without warranty.
The seat stay snapped at the brake mount after two days of riding.
Marzocchi 66 SL (Air) fork. Beautiful monster of a fork. It was incredibly sticky. Turned out the mag lowers had a manufacturing defect. The through axle holes weren’t aligned properly. I could only insert the axle with considerable twisting force.
Marzocchi claimed that tolerances were in an expectable margin, warranty denied.
I pedaled that boat anchor around for a year and it offered incredibly shitty performance.
Very cool review - I really love that on nsmb.com there seems to be a place, appreciation and editorial willingness to allow in-depth, nerdy (good), content with context and depth! Many other websites or magazines (which I also enjoy somewhat) only seem to concentrate on brief content which reduces products to disposable items only current for a blink.
I enjoy that there are articles which are long enough, that I have to file them away in my reading list and then find an occasion a bit later where I find the time to actually read through it. Also the needed tinkering and "ripening" of a bike (and actually sinking hours in wrenching, RIDING, WRITING and photography) show in a lot of posts.
Actually I have already sold the 38 and went back to the 36 and then got a 2021 Lyrik Ultimate as a spare, too for when the 36 will go in for warranty once the CSU goes again.
The Lyrik is pretty awesome, it is incredibly simple to setup and very plush. Lets see how it will hold up :)
Yeah, I rode the 38 for three months on the exact same bike, grips, tires, tire pressures, on a Raaw Madonna V2 Large and DT EX1501 wheels, 170mm Fox 38 Factory. Comfortable Syntace Vector Carbon Superlight 20mm risers with build in flex, ESI Extra Chunky soft grips.
Only thing I changed was the fork itself. For some perspective (we are nerding out here and I enjoy that :) I weigh around 167lbs. I can ride double black trails safely but I am not a super fast rider nor super aggressive, I will ride some stunts but skip the freeride type huge stuff. I regularly ride (when there is no pandemic) the European EWS tracks during holidays, because those are the good trails over here.
I agree with IslandLife that the 38 works a lot better than either a 36 or a Lyrik suspension wise. You can really feel how smooth it glides up and down with no stiction, also with the air volume in the lowers not influencing progression as much, using full travel with proper sag and pressure is MUCH better. The lubrication channels really work. Also more lower oil helps a lot. Also in really rough bermed, high speed corners and while charging the fork is very precise compared to my 36s. So the 38 moves up and down freely in those situations.
I ended up with roughly the FOX recommended settings minus one Token @170mm. Setup was easier compared to my 2020 Grip2.
I would think that for stronger or heavier riders the benefits will be huge. It is a great product with lots of really good innovation and a step forward.
The fore aft and side flex or the absence of it make it feel very direct. Too direct for my bones and joints. I rode the fork a lot on chunky „natural“ european trails, meaning hundreds of years of erosion, loads of roots, rocks, debris. On more groomed, flowy, jumpy, high speed trails the 38 was incredibly smooth and supple. Not on the more awkward slower speed stuff.
All that said, for how I ride, I often get to a point where I am a bit tired or not attacking 100% because my body feels the past 25 years riding and building trails and I want to continue riding for another 25. I tend to try and ride a bit lighter.
I would love to try the 2021 Fox 36, I bet the new chassis would be a great compromise. Maybe I will. My 2021 Lyrik Ultimate was half the price though and feels fantastic with the easiest setup. There seems to be a bit of bushing play, but it is very smooth and active. And I went through five 36 CSUs in three seasons and friends report that it seems to be an issue still even on 38s.
I‘ve personally witnessed two creaky ZEBs though. All on Madonna V2s :)
Nice attention to detail! Nice pictures and nice article!
One insight from a fellow rider with bad wrists to another: I was fed up with my 36 170mm 29“ fork developing creaky CSUs and upgraded to a (Fox) 38. While it worked incredibly well and was very smooth in itˋs travel, it also hurt my wrists really bad, because the increased stiffness brought a lot of side to side bar movements and other vibration into my wrists. I ended up selling the fork and went to a Lyrik Ultimate, which is smoother all around for my body. Same story for a (no bad wrists and a much better rider than me) buddy who went from a Lyrik to a ZEB and then back to a Lyrik after half a season. His wrists started to hurt on wet rough trails and in the cold.
Before you drop the coin on a stiffer fork, maybe test-ride. Most reviews donˋt mention the increased stiffness as less comfortable. For me they meant the difference between being able to ride or NOT ride.
I think the DPX2 can also work great for high-speed-chatter - if the tune is right (and that's very dependent on rider weight and style).
On my Madonna there ist absolutely no difference - both DPX2 and X2 are very, very good for high-speed stuff/repeated hits etc. But on my Rallon, like your experience, the DPX2 was harsher/less capable for high speed stuff.
I do feel however that, also like you describe, the X2 ist really fantastic in the last 20 percent of its travel. And I think that is so, because of the fat rubber bottom out bumper it has since 2019. It's like the bottom out bumper on a coil shock and no matter what, it just "deadens" the really harsh impacts really effectively and also maybe has a positive effect on rebound in these last millimeters of the travel. I think that this applies to coil shocks as well. I think that a good part of what makes some people love coil shocks on Enduro bikes so much is the generous rubber bottom out bumper.
It is just these last 10% of performance where the DPX2 isn't as good. On my Madonna it feels much livelier and snappier and still very capable in the remaining 90%. But I am only 75kg and while I am using some potential of this very capable bike and also have access to nice rough trails, I am not an extremely aggressive or fast and hard on my shock.
I somewhat agree that if you are on a bike as aggressive as the Process X and hurling around a 2,5kg Fox 38 the DPX2 seems to be more a cost saving than a weight saving matter.
If it is a Performance "Elite" DPX2 it comes with all the bells and whistles of the Factory shock, but without Kashima. In my experience it works absolutely as good as the Factory version. The Performance (without Elite) is simpler, there might be a noticeable difference. X2 versus DPX2 is totally depending on the linkage/frame. I owned three bikes with these shocks (Giant Reign 27.5, Orbea Rallon 29" and currently a RAAW Madonna) and rode them extensively and owned an X2 and a DPX2 shock for each bike (all Factory shocks). I swapped back and forth and have to say that at 75kg I absolutely prefer the DPX2 on my Madonna, because it just works better. It was a toss up on the Rallon with a slight advantage for the X2. And I absolutely didn't like the X2 on the Reign. (that was one of the earlier X2s)
The frame probably has a bigger impact on function than DPX2 vs X2 - as long as the DPX2 is shimmed right for you...
The Performance level fork is not all that bad. Either ride it and be happy or drop in a GRIP2 cartridge at the first annual service. The Rhythm series forks are crap though. Different CSU with different diameters and threads sometimes, cartridges and air shafts might not fit etc.
It'll be an interesting review - Kona makes interesting bikes, but the spec decisions / price ratio seems mediocre imho. This one isn't all that bad, I'd guess most components are pretty rideable.
Very nice review and also great pictures! I'd love to try a V2 compared to my RAAW Madonna.
I'd love to know what "lifetime of the frame" means?
Is the frame intended to last for a certain amount of time? Or what actually defines the lifetime of a frame? My first own TV (bought in 2003) said on the first page of the manual that it had a life cycle of five years. I was SHOCKED when I read that. It was expensive and I bought it with the intent to keep it for at least 20 years. (then gave it to my dad a year later when I moved to university)
Yes, that might actually be a very precise insight regarding casings! I keep going back to Exo style rear tires, because they are fast and that makes my big enduro 29er bike really fun. Grip is excellent still. But the tires wear out fast, tearing side knobs etc and I even had a couple of snakebites this season.
The last couple of seasons were spent on DHR 2 WT in 2.4 with Nukeproof ARD - zero flats even with park riding.