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April 8, 2020, 8:35 p.m.
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Re: DVO forks, why are they rare as hens teeth?

Posted by: heckler

The small bump sensitivity is unparalleled in air suspension.

This. I can't figure out how essentially just a simple coil negative spring can accomplish this. I've ridden SR Suntour forks which are quite similar architecturally, they have been good but not this good.

April 8, 2020, 8:23 p.m.
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Re: DVO forks, why are they rare as hens teeth?

Distribution is a big one I think. DVO don't seem to have the brand cachet that other brands big or boutique have for some reason. They perform very well by most accounts, easy to do basic lowers service at home, great aftermarket service support, and damper service can be done at home with minimal specialty tools and equipment.

The one thing against them is that the entire lowers need to be replaced when the bushings go. 

I'm really happy with the Diamond at 140 on my small bike, and the more basic 160 Beryl on the big bike.

April 6, 2020, 7:01 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

And also I feel strongly that modern progressive hardtail should be run with a high volume 2.6 of not 2.8 rear tire with wide rims to support. As much as I love steel, I feel like frame material doesn't matter all that much with the rear tire damping things down. May as well save the 1 lb frame weight and likely a few dollars.

April 6, 2020, 6:58 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

Posted by: tashi

Rootdown isn't "much more" than a Honzo at $870, Torrent isn't "much more" than a Rootdown at $999, but wait, how the heck did we get to $1000 for an offshore built hardtail?

This, all day long. 

The Rootdown cant go to a threaded bb due to the chain stay yoke design and the shortish chainstays. 

Having said that, my preference is for a chain stay no shorter than 430, 440 would be the upper limit, to help keep me centered on the steep climbs I frequent. 

The 2020 Chromag Surface is pretty close geo wise if it weren't for the shortish reach relative to the size. The Cotic Solaris max for me would be just fine, I'm an average height so the slackish sta doesn't bother me.

April 5, 2020, 10:59 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

Posted by: Heinous

Pretty tempting, right? The tube spec in the rear looks super comfortable - I've really disliked all the slack, great geo steel hardtails that have made mass production with full on huck level tubing in the back, I've fouond they ride super harsh and dead for steel.

IMO I feel these Torrents missed the mark on the complete builds. Frame only value isn't great either. There's nothing construction wise (geometry is 'free') that justifies why this costs over 40% more than a Honzo ST frame ($699cdn with more complex sliding drops).

In a blind test I don't expect 98% to be able to tell the ride quality of this Torrent over any other steel or even aluminum hardtail in the same category.

I'm personally tempted by the Cotic Solaris Max, really progressive all around geo built around a reasonable 140mm fork, lightweight for burly steel, built with fancy Reynolds 853. It's priced right in the same ballpark as this Torrent and the Rootdown.

March 31, 2020, 9:57 p.m.
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Re: Here's a fun one. What was the first mountain bike you owned? Second bike?

Posted by: rnayel

When I was 11, CCM Ice, saved up money delivering newspapers over the winter.

I also oggled that same model in the CT catalog daily.  But I couldn't convince my parents to get it for me at the time so things escalated from that $150 CCM to my eventual $400 Norco 2 years later

March 31, 2020, 9:52 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

I've gone bash less for the past 2-3 years, no big issues really and I will tag a rock or root on my ring/chain once in a while. 

I had planned to give these guys a try if I couldn't get my 64bcd 28t ring to clear on my Trance -- it barely works with a stack of crank axle spacers.  I still may after this Covid business eases up.

They do a 26 or 28t on 104bcd with an integrated bash guard which spaces the chainring over far enough to clear the chainring bolt. The overall effective chainline is probably better for real world use too.

https://usamadeco.com/collections/sharktooth-pro-104-bcd-integrated-guard

March 31, 2020, 4:05 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

On the other hand,  I suspect the crank spider/ chainring would be stronger than a set of iscg mounts anyways on a big hit. With 1x rings and chains constantly on the outer (only) ring there isnt really much risk getting hung up on obstacles.  

I find I hit my pedals significantly more than my chain + ring combo.

March 29, 2020, 9:04 p.m.
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Re: Here's a fun one. What was the first mountain bike you owned? Second bike?

First bike was an old stock 1994 Norco Kokanee rigid with STX group from Fraser Cycle. Obsessed over it for months and months as a grom. She was ridden, every part upgraded as I raced her XC throughout high school. I'd have to dig through my archives to try and find a pic of me xc racing her at Sunpeaks

Left the sport for a few years then my 2nd bike was a huck to falt Friday nigh turban special Voodoo Shango from Airbomb, that eventually got 1st generation Formula disc brakes -- disc brakes and horizontal drops back them sucked --- scratch that disc brakes back then in general sucked.

March 9, 2020, 12:25 p.m.
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Re: NSMB 2020 - Full Suspension Bike Thread

Posted by: syncro

Another thing that can help is putting the bolt or quick release cam on the opposite side of the split in the seat tube. This tends to not put extra force on that single point and create uneven clamping pressure.

I believe this Trance has 2 splits in the tube actually to further help even out the clamp pressure. The seat clamp area seems over engineered to me and is the least aesthetically pleasing part of the frames, and at least in this case, flipping the proprietary seat clamp would make it look real bad.

My frame is a medium, and I have it slammed as far as it will go in the frame. It leaves about 7mm on the post. The height works just well enough for me that I don't need to shim the post down to 170mm.

Initial impressions are neat on the bike. It feels like the top end of the suspension is under sprung, but mid-end stroke is way more progressive than expected.

March 8, 2020, 10:20 p.m.
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Re: NSMB 2020 - Full Suspension Bike Thread

When I had my Range 29, butt buzz was the bigger issue with 150mm travel, not a game breaker mind you. That bike was faster than I needed it to be, and I found it to monster truck over anything I would ride

The 1up's low internal length is key, the rocker pivot does limit how far down you can stick the post. I had to get the v2.1 actuator because the v2.0 wouldn't let me slam the post far enough and still allow the outer cable to move the needed amount. The Trance's ugly 2 bolt seat clamp is also key, I've found over torquing the clamp even by a bit does affect the return on the post, the 2 bolt spreads the clamping force out some.

March 7, 2020, 4:48 p.m.
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Re: NSMB 2020 - Full Suspension Bike Thread

and internet fail again

March 7, 2020, 4:46 p.m.
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Re: NSMB 2020 - Full Suspension Bike Thread

I have high hopes for this Trance 29 to finally get me off my hardtail as primary bike this year. Been off the bike 3 months due to injury, I blame the hardtail lol.

Basically moved the build over from my Chromag: DVO Diamond now at 140mm, 1x10 11-46 XTR/XT drivetrain with 28t oval ring, old XTR master cylinders paired to Deore MT520 4 pot calipers, 1up 180mm dropper

March 1, 2020, 4:49 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

Just played around in Superstar's site... £300 for UPS shipping (only option) on a £50 headset to Canada

March 1, 2020, 4:36 p.m.
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Re: NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

Works charge 20£ for FedEx shipping to Canada.  It's not too difficult to inform FedEx ahead of time that you will clear customs yourself for the package to avoid any brokerage/handling fees.

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