Bumpity bump bump
i didn't either! and i'm kind of upset about it :( too late now though. have to plan better for next year.
Never too late till the snow hits!
The fall conditions at Harper are not to be missed.
Plus you're missing the new additions…
The mountain biking season in Kamloops is coming to an end which means that the KBRA is holding its second annual Year Ender Bender at the Harper Mountain trails on Saturday October 17, 2009. We[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;re putting away our hammers and shovels and are ready to enjoy a well deserved day of riding and fun. This year[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s activities include:
Riding! Shuttle runs will be starting from the lower parking lot at 10:00 AM.
Guided tours of the trails [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; new riders are invited to see the variety of trails that Harper has to offer. Besides the hucks and stunts, Harper has some great singletrack that can be enjoyed without a full-on downhill/freeride rig.
BBQ [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; KBRA will be hosting a BBQ in the lower parking lot starting at 3:00 PM. Enjoy a Hot Dog and Drink courtesy of the KBRA, in exchange we would ask for a donation to the Kamloops Food Bank (non-perishable food or cash), a donation box and jar will be available onsite.
Visit our website at www.bikekamloops.com for a link to our Facebook group page or email email@example.com for more information or directions to the trails.
I'll echo this comment. Wearing a HRM is the equivalent to having a tach in your car. You can drive without one, but if you are driving close to the redline all the time…
And I'll double echo the comment that they are very useful to ride with all the time.
I use mine to make sure I don't have a cardiac as soon as the trail points upwards a little, (round is a shape, right?) and it keeps me from redlining on the flats when I'm having fun and wanting to rip along for the "wheeeee" factor.
If I behave and stay in the zone then I avoid feeling wiped out after the ride.
Sounds like we like the same trails, so here's my list.
Top Half of mountain =
Gummy Bear (fun blue singletrack)
Mach (not what it sounds like - right beside Gummy Bear)
Sugar (bit of a flat pedal to trailhead but well worth it)
Bottom Half =
Sweet One (best boardwalks on the mtn)
Arm Pump (either Sweet One or Arm Pump to get you to the bottom after Sugar)
Root Dog (short blue run - roots and boardwalks at the bottom of the hill instead of the biker cross under the chair)
Favorite linked combo:
Kaboom to Honey Drop to Sweet One to Mountain High Pizza for a well earned lunch.
Superstar and Shazaam till your tendons scream.
Best berms and blue jumps anywhere.
Low to Ground for woodwork.
See this is why it's a dangerous tool.
Apparently my own frustrations and emotions took over my own response and the underlying point was lost. So I'll try again:
Robot, I wasn't directing anything towards you or any of the other relevant players in this thread. I didn't quote anyone's post and it was a general statement for all the readers.
This issue needs to be discussed, and yes, the IMBA folks need to be "held accountable" but not roasted and slammed on an open forum for all to read. Hopefully some real world follow up and discussion with the appropriate people has already taken place.
I'm trying to suggest that negative bashing of an organization, a local club, a group of builders (beginners or experts), or anyone's efforts to make trails better is hurting everyone and pointlessly raising tempers and emotions.
If 20 or 30 people have read this thread and then choose to not support IMBA with a membership, or not show up at a club's trail day due to fears it could be lame or teaching bad techniques, then how has this been productive?
Do you also have to fill out the forms that MoTCA requires you to submit for new trail construction?
Yes, we have those same forms, but we've just been building short ride arounds or re-routing sections of the trail to avoid enviro issues, etc…
Specifically what is the paper work to manage?
Does MOTSA require you to have insurance for trail maintenance?
What benefits does MOTSA give you? Dollars? If so, how much?
Does MOTSA give you Resources? eg tools, materials etc.?
The paperwork that troubles us are the inventory and mapping of all TTF's, maintenance and inspection records of all trails and TTF's, records of any known significant injuries and accidents, etc…
Insurance is general liability insurance covering the club activities, including maintenance, but NOT INCLUDING RACES and TIMED EVENTS.
MoTSA gave us $10K seed money to get the pilot project up and running to cover GPS and mapping, signage, tools and building materials, and to run events like our IMBA Trail Care Crew weekend course.
We are now using that money for building materials to repair older structures and build new ones with an eye towards safety and rider progression.
It's a good process… it just takes admin time, organization, and a strong volunteer base.
.flow - the Whistler trail standards are not binding on the MOTSA trail standards. Don't confuse the two. What MOTSA needs to clarify is what kinds of trail standards they will impose.
From the policy:
_Develop mountain bike trails rated in accordance with the Ministry Guidelines and Standards for Authorized Improvements except that _
A few hardy types were still riding through the fog yesterday.
This woodwork is all trimmed up and ready for the spring.
Fantastic temps for building so we cleaned up a few areas, cleared a downed tree and fixed a few bomb holes.
Pics to get your stoke on for this weekend (or next spring if it snows)
BUMP. 2 years later - how is this working?
The policy is working… sort of…
The trails at Harper (Kamloops) are under a draft agreement (via the pilot project.) It isn't an official agreement due to some referral issues with the local indian band around tenures on their claim areas.
However - the trails are registered with local government (Tourism and Forestry) and the club was notified prior to some recent logging and asked how the impact to the trails could be mitigated or avoided all together. That worked perfectly!
There are several requirements in the policy that are difficult to meet with 100% success, but that can be "managed" via common sense and discussion with local MoTSA staff.
It is A LOT of paperwork and admin time for the club to manage.
Insurance is annoying, not a show stopper - it's available and affordable to clubs that can build a member base and get member donations rolling in each year.
The show stopper is that the policy states "no double black diamond TTF's" and the Harper trails are full of them.
This is still the good fight in the longer term, and it's worth fighting!
The policy won't get changed by going underground.
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL CLUB and pitch in to keep the trails accessible.