Three years ago it wouldn't have been much fun, but before the BCBR began using it (used the past two years, along with the new severed entrance), it was fixed up, with a new connection to the powerlines. :-)
It seems that the Christmas Corners were widened. I heard a rumour that riders were complaining that it was too tight. Is there any truth to this?
There were no complaints that the corners were too tight (at least that I know of).
However, some riders who were unsuccessful at cleaning the corners were stepping off on the inside of the trail; this damage, if not repaired, would have eventually undermined the stability of the trail.
On two of the Christmas corners (and at several other locations on the trail where the edge was deteriorating), we have built rock retaining walls to help maintain the trail's integrity (and yes, in the case of the exit from the Christmas corners, the trail was widened to help minimize future damage). :) :fix:
FWIW I rode GSM last night, 2nd time so far. Good or bad I did not notice the point at which the tree was cut.
I did once again notice, despite having legs of lead and lungs without air, what a great climbing trail GSM is. Not certain if the sign for the rock roll was in place the first time I rode the trail or it is new, but pretty cool to have the little features named. Big shout out to the builders of GSM. Hopefully all settles down with the cut tree and we can simply enjoy the trail for what it is; a wonderfully routed and fantastically built bit of fun, that has a significant amount of suffering (at least for me).
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the trail :-)
Quick question. How much longer of a ride (time or distance) is it starting at Old Buck and taking the Old Buck to Bridle/Cardiac Bypass/Academy/RT/RTC/Lower C Buster, Penny Lane, GSM and finally arrive at Baden Powell vs climbing up Old Buck to Baden Powell, then across to where GSM meets Baden.
The first route is much more fun as compared to straight up Old Buck, but seemed to take me a lot longer and definitely had the legs feeling it (and I didn't even do a loop around Applicator or end of C-Buster and back up with R[HTML_REMOVED]R).
Ok, so being a bit of a geek, I plugged both routes into the Trailforks route planner…
From the Old Buck parking lot across Bridle, up Academy/RT/RTC/ etc… is just shy of 5 km; the traditional climb up Old Buck is a touch over 2.8 km (measured to the point where Good Sir meets BP).
Well as always, the forums sure are entertaining. :)
I'm not going to argue with anyone over how I should or shouldn't feel; that's just silly. I changed the title to reflect the facts of what happened, no feelings.
I do believe these were misplaced good intentions.
And, as Syncro and others correctly perceived, my intent is not to shame; I simply hope that going forward, if others see something they believe is an issue on the trail, they will let us know about it rather than take matters into their own hands. It is about respect for each other.
Clearing a drain, moving dead fall off the trail, or similar work are great to have people help with. To me, cutting a live tree that was not a hazard doesn't fall into the same category.
If others are keen to help us, it's not that hard to get in touch, and we are always happy to have the help. One of best rewards of this project are the friends we made.
the debate really isn't over the tree, it's abut the disrespect shown to the effort of the builder. i also don't see this thread as shaming, but a request saying "please don't mess with my work, ask me if you feel something needs help".
It isn't about having a funeral for a tree. It's about respecting someone's vision/toil.
Thanks for the info.
I believe there intentions were to help and simply did not realize this was a feature.
Misplaced good intentions…..
Yes, this is what I believe too. We're just a little sad about it - something that is really important to me with building is to keep the trail as naturalized and beautiful as possible.
I would just like to see future issues on the trail to be handled a little more cooperatively with us ;)
There was no clear reason to cut the live tree.
If it was seen to be a problem, we would have investigated alternatives first (perhaps it wasn't secure in its raised position, but we'll never know).
Removal of the tree without consulting either of the active builders (we're still out most weeks, fixing up a few things since we opened it last month) doesn't do anything to foster cooperation and good will. It's just disappointing.
This is a picture taken while we were building Good Sir Martin. The small arched (live) tree above the trail was left in place; we raised it higher to ensure it would be easy for riders/hikers/runners to get underneath it. It added a nice aesthetic. It's not a high speed section and there's good sight-lines coming into it. We liked it :)
Someone took it upon themselves to remove it. With a saw. In the process, they also uprooted a stump on the side of the trail. :(
Please do not "fix" a trail like this. It shows a lack of respect for the builders. It takes away from the beauty of the trail.
If you see something that needs repair, please report it on Trailforks.
We get notifications when someone submits a report and we can address the issue.
I was up on Fromme last night [HTML_REMOVED] heard that the parking lot is now open.
I was also told that it is only open until 8:00pm, so make sure you get back in time from those post-work rides.
Yep, 8 pm.
It would be great if NSMBA can share a little more light on what is happening with the LSCR, and what if anything can be done to get involved in that side of the trail advocacy battle and help them fight the good fight. If people don't know their trails are at risk, then they can't make their voices heard until it's too late.
Unfortunately, as Shirk noted, NSMBA was not informed about the decommissioning.
As I mentioned previously, NSMBA was initially given the go ahead to work on CBC and Cambodia through TAP, but Metro then changed their mind. This was published in the Town Hall minutes. Not all that rosy from my perspective (with respect to Metro managed land).
Where things are rosier, is on DNV managed lands - as DNV is not only willing to work with NSMBA, but has also given NSMBA money for trail work. There are a lot of land managers at play on the North Shore trails; fortunately Metro is only one (smaller) "slice of the pie".
Bus #211 will take you along Mount Seymour Parkway to eastern base of Seymour at Parkgate Plaza. You can ride up Old Buck/Baden Powell from there to access trails.
Alternatively Bus #214 will take you up to the western base of Seymour at Hyannis [HTML_REMOVED] Berkley.
From there, you can pedal up Highschool to Bridle Path, then up Academy Climb, Rapid Transit, Rapid Transit Connector, C-Buster, Penny Lane, Good Sir Martin (all single track climbing) - again from here you can access a number of trails to descend.
Boogieman has quite a bit of woodwork, as does Pangor. There's a little on Severed and C-Buster. Also Pingu [HTML_REMOVED] Salvation.
Mount Seymour on Trailforks: http://www.trailforks.com/region/mount-seymour/
I was lead to believe the NSMBA was working to have it sanctioned, which makes the decommissioning that much worse.
From the NSMBA town hall minutes (Seymour Update):
"CBC [HTML_REMOVED] Cambodia: NSMBA submitted plans to Metro for both, not permitted to work on either"
Metro at first seemed willing to work with us; we did a walk through to begin planning the needed trail work (water management was a priority). Metro then changed their mind, and we were not permitted to work on it after all.
Contact for Metro: LSCR@metrovancouver.org
The Trek Dirt Series offers three co-ed camps at Whistler this year: https://www.dirtseries.com/
(and has lift line priority)
How does the the work done on this trail day fit in with the machine built work being started by Metro Van today? What's the plan for the trail?
The trail day was on lower Dale's (primary work areas were just above the exit onto the power lines, and on the ride-around for the rock face. The main focus was water management (adding drainage, creating outslope, etc..). A summary and some pics are here: http://nsmba.ca/content/2015-06_dale%E2%80%99s-public-trail-day-may-30th
As far as I know, Metro will only be working on only the upper section. There was a fair bit of damage from very heavy rains this past winter. But what exactly Metro will do, I'm not sure, sorry.
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