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The title of this article is a bit misleading and is not correct. The Immediate removal makes it sound like the DNV is going in an ripping out all teeters ASAP. This is NOT the case.

They are working with all the builders who are part of this and have asked each of us how we want to make this work in a positive way.

The DNV has been very proactive in this and has let all builders know well in advance so we could all build a plan around each teeter replacement.

The DNV is NOT at fault and are extremely accommodating to other options that will keep the trails affected challenging and fun.

We the builders of Pipeline have been part of this process and are happy with what we have submitted to the DNV as a replacement and I am sure the rider will love the new features to replace what was lost.

Ahhhh HAHAHAHA.... 

Long live the Shore.

Posted by: PaulB

Posted by: syncro

I remember when I first got into doing trail work something that Dave Diplock and others mentioned in respect to building stunts was having a qualifier at the start of the stunt. The start of the stunt should be the most difficult part or at least as difficult as the most difficult parts of the stunt."

What would be the qualifier for a teeter-totter or a steep ramp? In general, I pass on all but the easiest stunts. Understanding a bit more about how they are designed might help me wrap my head around giving more a go.

The Qualifier "being the hardest part of the whole feature" For example on Pipeline we have put in a very skinny entrance on the upper wood circuit that is by far the hardest part. The lower teeter on Pipeline also has a very skinny entrance before getting on the teeter which is easier than the entrance. 

The idea is that if you can not get into the stunt due to the hard entrance then perhaps you should skip that feature. If you know yourself as a rider you can have good / bad days. Sometimes you get right on that stunt and the entrance is easy. Other days not so much when your grove is not on.

I always have the rule of 2. If at the 2nd attempt I can not get through the entrance / qualifier of any stunt or wood feature I skip it for another day.

Posted by: andy-eunson

Posted by: skooks

I talked to Digger today and he confirmed that it is definitely happening. Apparently there was a law suit in Ontario after someone broke their neck on a poorly designed teeter and it has spooked land owners (or at least their lawyers). Still a good idea to email the district though.

Digger is hoping to hold a wake for the teeter on Ladies before he has to remove it.

They need better lawyers then. I handled sports liability claims for some time as an adjuster before I retired. There were far more lawsuits involving softball where players broke their ankles sliding into bases that were totally fine. All sports are inherently dangerous. As long as the TTF’s are well maintained and signed a defence of a claim is dead easy. The district I think is protected by the OLA and by the fact that the NSMBA does maintain the trails very well.

Another option if the NSMBA has to negotiate a compromise to keep the features, is to offer to build marked ride arounds on these.

The NSMBA is not responsible for all of the trails that this effects. Salvation, Boundary and Pipeline are among these non NSMBA trails which each has its own volunteer crew that takes direction from the DNV.

all of the above trails has alternate routes to all of the TTF's which have a Teeter and this makes no difference in the insurance underwriters eyes.

This not the fault of the DNV they have very little input on this.

Imagine going into ICBC and demanding concessions to your insurance. Good luck!

Time time to stop this has long past. The insurance underwriters "which are in Ontario" have mandated this and the DNV has no say if they want insurance.

When the DNV told me I had to remove both teeters from Pipeline I asked all of the above questions as well.

Nothing will change and they must go.

Teeter's have been removed from almost all playgrounds over the last few decades due to the number of injuries. Go to any school playground and try to find one. Heck Pipeline even has a death attributed to the 2nd teeter.

Good news is for Pipeline that each teeter will be replaced with something right out of the old school shore play book.

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Kieran

Hahahaha

I'm guessing the majority of riders whinging about them ride rouge trails a good portion of the time. Is that being hypocritical?

well if you go down the rabbit hole far enough we're all being hypocritical in one way or another. 

i think the goal to shoot for is give back more than you take, or at least keep things in balance. I can think of a handful of people who are in a positive balance and feel that the majority of riders  - over 80% - are in a negative balance, some by a long shot. ebikes will probably make that worse.  it doesn't have to be that way though - again it's about creating the right culture.

Skinny Rock, Wood... No gold ribbons of dirt "NO FLOW" crazy old school tech lines that a e-bike will not do well on.

Boost mode on a skinny does not sound like a good idea...

If you are a builder on the shore and do not want a mass e-bike crowd it is up to you to build that trail.

Posted by: rat

Been along time since I dropped by here.  bought a new MTB so I figured I better get back on the ride more bitch less thread.  

been snowbiking, trials biking , Moto riding  but I guess its time to start turning cranks again

What bike did you get?

Posted by: ReductiMat

That is fucking awesome.

Right click inside any of the trails for  "LittlePlanet View" you can create the above and more.

Posted by: Kieran

Yeah its pretty neat. You missed out the Cherry Bomb on Wild Cherry tho :) That's the main original line.

Cherry Bomb is included. Part of an Easter Egg hunt inside the tour.

Posted by: DanL

Will you be using machine learning to process the interpolation between each 360 photo ?

For now machine learning is used to remove the tripod out of each stitched 360 photo. It might very hard to use deep learning to place down the markers and advance between each 360 photo. It is possible but the learning data set would need to be massive and even then each trail is so different with unique features unlike a road with marked lines and tangible boarders with traffic signals.

Posted by: Ddean

Thank you!

That's neat - you sure feel the grade much moreso than in video or normal photos. It looks like you walked the trails and took photos every 25 feet or so. That's a lot of work! Would it be easier to ride the trails with a 360deg camera?

For the high quality images as well machine learning tools to take away the tripod we felt it was best to walk each trail for the VR mapping. I feel the extra time involved is worth it in serving up 12K images at nearly 100MP.

Our 360 rig is custom with nearly a dozen cameras mounted in a stereoscopic layout so the risk of  injury due to rig weight and damage to very expensive equipment was to high a risk.

The first few trails are around 20 feet for every sequence but if you look at Pangor or Boogieman we did try to get around 10 feet or so per sequence especially for the interesting features.

Just finishing up post processing for all Cypress, Fromme and Seymour trails and then will be heading out to the woodlot.