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Aug. 4, 2019, 7:49 p.m.
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Re: Whistler Trails 2019 (not WBP)

https://www.trailforks.com/report/678553/

Anyone know the rationale behind this work? Jaws was a super steep but rarely ridden trail, unsustainable? Maybe for after an EWS but for the traffic it usually gets? How 'blue' is the reroute? Seems a crazy decision to reroute a double black section with bench cut blue level trail.... I'm all for maintenance, but if the OG line doesn't exist anymore, I'll be a little sad.

July 30, 2019, 12:44 p.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

Posted by: oldmanbuilder

i foresee more new trails being built iwith heinous hike a bikes.  that's the direction i would go in, anyways.

I already know of one trail built like this with ebikes in mind.

July 27, 2019, 10:30 p.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

Of course, I'm still not seeing any real positive leadership or advocacy from ebike sellers or product reps about responsible integration. I asked some personally reasonable questions several times about directional riding and solving insurance issues for land access but have only heard more marketing about getting rad and you have to ride one and so forth.

Indeed. I spoke to a Giant rep at Crankworx last year and he was quite happy to hand off education about rules and responsible access to the bike shops that would be selling these things. The local bike shop has responsibility, but it's the manufacturers who are heavily pushing ebikes and should bare a huge amount of the burden when it comes to the issues they raise, avoiding conflict and responsible access.

June 20, 2019, 12:18 p.m.
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Re: WBP 19

I might be wrong, but I think they have to run the open chair lifts slower for sightseers due to an unfortunate accident on one of the chairs a few years ago. Bikers are uploading only and need a given level of physical fitness to ride the park so they don't need to slow the chair down if it's bike only.

June 14, 2019, 7:08 p.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

And as usual, there's no rebuttal. /thread.

June 13, 2019, 12:01 p.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: BeesIntheTrap

That's such a shit attitude. If someone goes and spends their time and effort building a trail and says no ebikes or dont ride in the rain or whatever, we as riders should respect that.

So no unicycles either right?

Yawn.... 

Maybe try answering why it's not a selfish "me, me, me" attitude?

June 12, 2019, 9 a.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

That's such a shit attitude. If someone goes and spends their time and effort building a trail and says no ebikes or dont ride in the rain or whatever, we as riders should respect that.

There are trails in whistler that get fucked at the start of year when thier wet despite signage and trail forks saying keep off while we maintain it and it drys out. 

Its a selfish attitude and not one I want to see more of the bike community. If ebikers are going to have the same attitude then any goodwill they might have currently is going to go out the window very quickly.

June 5, 2019, 6:04 p.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

Posted by: syncro

same can be said for how things are now or if ebikes are banned. if there is no level of enforcement then people will do what they want to anyways. for example, how many people ride the darkside even though it's off limits? even when the park rangers are monitoring things there are still people taking their chances. 

I see parallels with other situations where ease of access is a huge determining factor in how often an event occurs. If things are easy and convenient they'll happen more often. There will always be people who don't respect the rules for their own personal enjoyment or advantage, doesn't matter if it's riding closed or off limit trails, doping etc. The easier it is to do, the more it'll happen. I bet that Lord of the Squirrels will see many more ebikes on it this summer compared with last, even though it's now more widely known that it's not allowed, simply due to there being easier access to ebikes and more people owning them.

May 29, 2019, 7:06 a.m.
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Re: Whistler Trails 2019 (not WBP)

High traffic trail that doesn't deal with the rain that well and the builders and Worca would like to keep in reasonable condition. It gets a lot of snow melt and run off just due to it's location. It can also be closed at this time of year due to bear habitat. 

Trailforks should be the go to for everyone in the sea to sky for trail conditions imo. You don't even need to be a member to use it.

May 27, 2019, 6:19 a.m.
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Re: Whistler Trails 2019 (not WBP)

Good way to get an idea is scroll back to last year's reports, last year microclimate mid/late June, LOTS mid July

Aye, did have a look at that, but with this years snow pack being a lot shallower I was thinking it might be gtg a little earlier. Then again, I suspect it'll also depend on how much remedial work needs done. 

Microclimate is free of snow and running great. No signs that it was closed.

Worca don't tend to put up signs but update trailforks

https://www.trailforks.com/trails/micro-climate/

May 26, 2019, 3:01 p.m.
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Re: Whistler Trails 2019 (not WBP)

Any bets on when LOTS might be good to go?

Similar with Micro Climate. I had heard it wasnt so far away before Worca updated the trail forks status to closed, but if closed for bears I don't have a lot of info on their habits.

May 26, 2019, 2:58 p.m.
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Re: ebikes on the Shore

One of the most often used rebuttals against the anti ebike arguments are that it's "a question of education and ass holes are everywhere". Which is somewhat true, but if the argument of "well, its Crown land, the trail org can't stop me riding there" is going to be used as well, that's a very short sighted and asshole move. Just because something is technically allowed doesn't mean the views of those that lobbied, designed, built and maintain the trail(s) should be ignored.

Aug. 2, 2018, 6 p.m.
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Re: Whistler trails 2018 (not WBP)

In Scotland there's the Right to Roam, so there's great riding everywhere. The main caveat is that, as usual, with great power comes great responsibility. This mainly means don't be a dick and don't cause damage to where you're riding. It's something we all understand and abide by, because if we don't then the awesome access that's there may become threatened. 

All mountain bikers should consider if trails are appropriate to ride in the rain. If they don't hold up well then sure, go ride it anyway, but then be prepared for that trail to  potentially never recover and never be what it once was. Some trails will never be suitable for riding in the rain due to a variety of features, I'm sure you know that. Should they never get built if they're only suitable for the dry? 

Honestly, I think unless you're putting shovels in dirt then we should all be aware and try not to damage trails. Whether that be cutting corners, wet weather riding or (like on Rockwork) removing obstacles/features we don't like.

Aug. 1, 2018, 5:26 p.m.
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Re: Whistler trails 2018 (not WBP)

Would be great if riders, when shown a 'secret' or a trail that's not on the map yet, then didn't go and create Strava segments on them, take guided rides on them and upload their rides to Trailforks to be on the heat map for all to see. Trails don't stay secret for ever, that's fine, but a 'show don't tell' mentality along with  'don't put them on the internet' means these things last a lot longer. Respect the trail and respect the builder.

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