I was especially impressed with the couple from Ontario that helped at the trailday. They're out here riding for two weeks and took a Sunday off riding to help out on our trails. Pretty amazing… Good karma definitely headed their way!
Chunky Monkey: By lowest common denominator, (perhaps not the best choice of phrasing as one might assume an insult), I was meaning it more in the mathematical sense of the lowest level that will work for everyone. That would mean making everything suitable for entry level riding. And for the majority argument… I'm sure there is a very small proportion of people who get hurt on the Manager (as confirmed by the letter you received from Whistler). The large number of people who do not get hurt on it include those who ride it successfully, those who ride around but hope to ride it one day and those who ride around and never want to ride it. All I'm saying is why should a great number of people who enjoy a stunt/feautre or hope to one day enjoy it have their opportunities removed due to a very small group. I know this happens in life but don't believe it to be fair or the best option. As I said before (I know its idealistic) but personal responsibility would solve these problems.
By the way, sorry to hear it'll be 9 months for you to heal… I guess just think good thoughts for Whistler opening 2006!
My GF has an extra small,the biggest difference is the top tube length…..I cant ride it at all without hitting my knees on the bars.
the wheelbase is about an inch and a half shorter as well….helps a lot on the shore.
Standover will be a non issue for you.
thanks. that's reassuring. why do you say stand over will not be an issue? is your gf shorter than me? (5'2")
Sparkplug: I understand your point, but you should look at this from Whistler's viewpoint. You own a business and people (stupid or otherwise) are consistently injuring themselves on something your employees designed. What would you do? Put up warning signs? Accidents have increased since the signs went up. Close it? People complain that they can't ride a great stunt. Make it safer? People will complain that it's not hard enough.
All I'm saying is that if I was making the decisions, I'd take the heat from the pros and close it. I know that wouldn't be a popular decision, but it makes good business sense.
I don't have the perfect answer. There is always the problem of dealing with the lowest common denominator in a situation - the majority gets screwed because of small group of people (small in that I'm sure lots of people go around and lots of people ride its successfully). My half serious- half tongue in cheek answer would be to post a huge warning sign telling people of the large number and different serious injuries that have occurred there- pictures of carnage might help. One could also create some pain in the ass obstacle that you'd have to carry your bike over to get to it. And if I was Whistler, I would be consulting my lawyers to ensure that an area with repeat injuries that are known to Whistler would not create a situation of negligence. I would want to make sure that the liablity waivers would be sufficient to prevent a bad outcome in a lawsuit. They won't be worried that x number of people have injured themselves and won't be spending $. One convention would look after all the lost riders spending.
A comparable situation would be the pools at Lynn Canyon. Many people have died there. They post warning signs, warn people of the past deaths etc. Yes, people still dive into the pools but what are you going to do - close down all of Lynn Canyon because of a few people who wish to take risks?
And yes, if there are easy fixes to prevent injuries ie. filling in a ditch, cutting off a stake, removing an impaling obstacle, they should be done.
The problem with manager is that it's unlike any other rock face on the mountain. In fact, I've never seen anything like it. Posting signs isn't enough.
How much babysitting do you have to do?? I wouldn't want to see it dumbed down or closed again. Its fun to ride and even if I wasn't riding it yet, I would want to have it as something that I could work towards at its present difficulty level. Its very disappointing to finally feel like you can ride something, get there and find out its gone or that instead of a skinny you had to hop your rear wheel to make, that its now a ladder highway… Personal responsibility would solve these problems…
it's only because of the newer (04/05) top tube that I can stand over it - any news on what the 06 will be like - I heard there will be changes. I'm trying to decide if I should race around to find a remaining 05 or just wait for the 06. ??
it's not just a male condition…i avoid doctors like the plague because i dont want to be told i can't do something. the only time i go is when the pain is more than i can handle - probably not the greatest indicator of a problem :lol:
what? like the sound/feel of bones grating together!! =/