That's a nice looking vintage Turner. I loved their CNC'd BB/shock mount. As for the reliance on modern MTB design to ride trails, it's a bit of a misnomer IMO. When I first moved to BC 20 years ago I had my Turner (which was state of the art back then) and the shop mechanic I worked with that took me riding and showed me around the west coast trails eschewed modern technology. I was amazed at the time how he rode everything on a fully rigid 26" with V-brakes! He would shred all the squamish classics - powerhouse plunge, entrails, upper powersmart etc. It was his riding that influenced me to put away the Turner and ride my rigid Surly instead (mind you it was one of the first 29ers). kudos to your friend for rocking the 26 old geo!
I havent ridden an off the shelf bike for a few decades but in the 90's and early 2000's I used to find treks, specialized etc would start to feel loose and sloppy pretty quickly. My turner xce never even needed the bushings or needle bearings replaced and the frame never so much as developed a wiggle, knock or creak.
I don't buy boutique (aka nerd) brands for adjustability gimmicks but for great quality and the fact that they often offer exactly what I want. My chromag is a great example of this. I dont think I would want it to have a bunch of gimmicky flip chips and adjustable headset cups that are just going to creak and develop play.
I do agree that the niche brands are the ones to provide the geometry advancements before the big brands. I have definitely bought a few niche frames for a slightly different geometry i couldn't find elsewhere.
Weird, my carbon warden has been one of the quietest bikes I've owned.
I almost feel like you were on the wrong size bike. I'd be interested to know how you like the XL. I appreciate your honest review and it's great that this bike is being reviewed by someone who can put it through it's paces. I also thought you focused on a lot of small little things that didn't suit your riding or were more a nuisance than a real problem with the Warden. It sounds like Knolly was not keeping this bike in good repair based on all the loose bits and creaking, which is not good for a review bike but at the same time, I don't think that even needs to make its way into the review let alone centre stage. It sets a poor tone for the rest of the review and is more indicative of a bike that's been ridden a lot than a poor product. You wrote more words on tire choice and noisy cables than almost any other aspect of the review. Also, exploding XT derailleurs and failing XT cranks are not par for the course, and should not reflect on the Warden product. I was surprised at the reasonably positive summary at the end given the overall tone of the article where it seemed like everything was wrong with the bike (which is a bit surprising given a pretty solid build curated by Knolly .
On the other hand, I am definitely biased as a Knolly owner/lover and don't love reading poor reviews on one of my favorite brands. So you can take my comments with a grain of salt....
I think videos like this need to show the crashes as well to keep knuckleheads like me from wanting to ride any of those lines.
Great article. Couldn't agree more with your approach to bike zen.
I rode a kore B52 for years on my rigid bike. I loved the brutalistic elegance of the thing.
This video is a pretty good example of what this article is talking about. 6 guys with older school form getting a workshop on riding fast by richie rude who seems to have mastered the new geo/new riding form.
But I have a dhf max grip in Exo on my wife's megatower....
You can get the Exo in WT in maxx grip.
Installing tires with cushcore should not break levers. I have installed enough tires with cc now that I just do it with my hands. You just need to make room around the rim so the bead slips over. Generally I install the tire and seat it first. Then I remove one bead and put the CC in and go about working the second bead back on. You can work your way around the tire pulling the cc aside and tuck the bead deep down in the centre of the rim. By the time you get to the last bit you can just finish it with your bare hands (that sounded unintentionally dirty).
If you have trouble installing tires in general, this video is exactly how I was taught to do it. CC doesn't really make it much more complicated.
My experience with the XC version is that they give more than 50% of the damping but less than 25% of the sidewall support. I used them in 2.4 tires on derby rims, which I know is less than ideal but it's my only 29 wheelset.
Wondering if the flatter brake lovers are also shorter riders or running higher (relative) stack. Remi doesn't look that tall, so even with his stem slammed, his bars are probably at the level of his saddle. I totally understand why a short dude on a 160mm fork would feel comfortable with flatter leavers. Also, he probably has smaller hands so the lever would feel closer to the finger when higher up. I tried running above 45 deg and hated it - but I've had the same lever angle since 1995.
As for the chocolate foot thing - I had to start running the opposite foot as I would get knee pain on long descents on my chocolate side. It didn't take long to get comfortable running goofy. Also, running the same foot forwards all the time leads to imbalance in your hips - shortening some muscles, overusing others. Now that I swap back and forth I no longer get knee pain.
I purchased the accugage after reading about it here. It came with the needle at 5psi and would always read high. They sent me another one and it measured low. I tried re calibrating them and broke one and the other is consistently reading about 2psi low. They do have a nice feel but seem too delicate as they appear to get damaged in shipping. Will try the Smart gague 2 I think. It's so frustrating spending money on a gauge and having it read inaccurately. I bet the company would send another one as they were great to deal with but I think I'll just move on to the digital age.
That kit is probably the best I've seen with regards to compact and all encompassing. The $50 is enough on its own to get you out of most jams!
Late to the convo but better late than never.
With regards to all the people who say that moped is the wrong term because you "have to pedal them," show me one review where they rode the emoped with the motor turned off. No one would ever do this unless they ran out of juice - and then they would curse their stupidity all the way home. The motor is necessary on the ebike/emoped so I think moped is actually quite accurate. Until you go do a lap on Fromme with the motor off, climbing the climb trail and smiling all the way - emoped should be considered a reasonable term.
Also, why are people on a mtb website so up in arms about what mtbers call ebike/mopeds? They seem to come on here and have no problem calling my bike an "acoustic bicycle." F*&% off with that s&%t. It's a bike. your contraption needs a distinguishing name, not mine. If ebike is not distinguishing enough, maybe consider emoped?
Finally, to those who say the argument over semantics is not important and we should get over the ebike moniker, it is important. I think it was correctly pointed out above that calling these things e-motorcycles is done to establish a mental connection with motorbikes that clearly do not belong on our trails. But the flip side is equally important - ebike was the name given to disarm opponents and help these motorized contraptions gain acceptance and access to an already established community. This was not done with the blessing or involvement of the bike community. It was done in an effort to grow business and market.
Finally, I am not against ebikes but they are not bikes. Access should not be assumed. I do resent the bike industry for their marketing them as the "evolution of bikes." I think many others share this resentment and this is why these arguments go on forever. If the marketing was a bit more honest, I doubt the backlash would have been so severe, but access would be cast into doubt, which would inhibit growth and sales.