I rode a DHR2 front and Dissector rear last summer, both in 29x2.4 Exo Maxx Terra. I tried the combo as a sort of North Shore and Sea to Sky “XC” tire setup (obv not real, lycra xc). I thought the combo was awesome (a) as long as the trails were fairly dry (so for summer it was awesome) (b) but only until the Dissector side knobs undercut super duper prematurely (like 10 to 15 rides). I’m admittedly in the “DHR2 is an awesome all around front tire” camp. I find it’s a great balance of weight, grip, braking traction and rolling speed. I thought the Dissector was really fun to ride too, in a kind of loose and fast sort of way, until the side knobs gave out. That was a bummer though. Strangely I also rode a Dissector in Exo+ in 29x2.6 Maxx Terra on my hard tail for a while last year, which was similarly awesome as a fast but grippy enough rear tire and didn’t have the same early knob failure.
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Posted by: syncro
For sure, but the forthcoming rules represent a real conundrum. What seems more acceptable travel wise; Granville and 70th to Seymour or Willingdon and Lougheed to Seymour? The Vancouver trip is over twice the distance as the Burnaby trip yet is somehow ok due to arbitrary borders. Another example is Willingdon and Lougheed to Woodlot. That trip is 4 times the distance of heading to Seymour but is again deemed acceptable based on arbitrary borders. Based on the rules I could go out to the Woodlot to meet up for a ride with 10 people from my zone yet doing a solo ride on the shore is a no-no. It's makes no sense. Give people a radius they have to stick to and that answers any questions about where they can go.
Not that I want to see this (from a selfish, riding perspective), but this radius idea makes the most sense and is easy enough for most people to grasp.
Radius is harder to enforce. With geographical limits set by health authority it is easier to know where to direct the authorities to do the road checks because the boundaries are pretty obvious. The province publishes maps that show you the exact boundaries of the health authorities. Those boundaries apply to every single person the same exact way. It would be near impossible to enforce a radius-based restriction without going full Ontario style, which it turns out is extraordinarily unpopular (to the extent that several police forces in Ontario indicated they would not use their new powers to stop people randomly). I think the restrictions in Australia (or parts of it) were radius based for a while. I believe they pursued a COVID zero strategy though and so people had to accept (temporarily at least) much, much more aggressive restrictions than we’ve had here. I’m not expressing any opinion on which I think is preferable but I think that goes a long way to explaining why we don’t have radius-based restrictions here (at least not yet).
Another thing: I don’t think we should read the today’s announcement as suggesting that it is cool to travel to Whistler if you live in Vancouver. That has been pretty clearly discouraged by the authorities for a long time now. It just isn’t strictly prohibited for the next 5 weeks the way that travelling from Vancouver to the Okanagan, Island, Interior (or even Burnaby or Moody).
Richard Zussman just asked about people in Vancouver travelling to Whistler because they are the same health authority. The Premier sort of ducked the question and answered instead about bookings being blocked for people outside the authority. So, yes, looks like you won’t be blocked from driving to Whistler if you live in VCH. That’s definitely not in the “spirit” of the orders though. But not strictly prohibited.
And looks like the road check model will be based on the drinking and driving road checks.
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New orders going in this Friday will prohibit non-essential travel outside of your health authority. Horgan just announced it seconds ago.
Does that mean police roadblocks along Boundary (between Burnaby and Vancouver)?
Not clear. Roadblocks probably not but travel checks possibly. Details are all coming in now during live press conference.
Also not clear just yet if the prohibition relates to health authority (very big - eg looks like VCH goes all the way to Powell River with some interruption) or health service delivery area (much smaller)
2nd application made things no better. Avoid this product like the plague. It may have wrecked 2 good sets good of pads. Giving it the alcohol and sandpaper treatment now. Hope that saves the pads and rotors. So frustrating.
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Posted by: cerealkilla_
Too many people trying to make justifications for how their personal individual choices are okay.
So if I drive from home to Seymour and don't cross paths with anyone is that somehow worse than going to the grocery store where I'll cross paths with dozens of people?
Here's the wording lifted directly from the Provincial website:
At this time, all non-essential travel should be avoided. This includes travel into and out of B.C. and between regions of the province. "
Regions are not the same as neighbourhoods, and I would put Van, Shore, Burnaby, Richmond, Coquitlam, etc as the same region.
The single biggest factor in preventing the spread of covid is physical distancing and keeping your contact limited to the same number of people - the same as it's been since day 1. A bunch of people in an enclosed space like a restaurant or pub represents the greatest concern for the spread of the virus. Someone travelling by themselves from Vancouver or Burnaby to the Shore and going for a ride/hike solo or even with a couple of other people and maintaining an appropriate distance is no risk.
I’m not interested in debating the merits of the restrictions but as of a few days ago the guidance was stick to “immediate neighborhood” (not “region”). Whether we can responsibly ride is another matter and it is certainly a failure of comms that’s the verbal instruction this week to stay in immediately neighborhood hasn’t been put on the govt’s website as far as I can tell. The updated guidelines have been widely reported though. Quick reference here:
Product label is full of bold claims about improving braking performance. I tried the product and it feels like I sprayed oil all over my rotors and pads. I can’t even lock up my brakes. I don’t get it. It’s like the product does the exact opposite of what it is designed for???
I’m going to try one more application and then hit everything with alcohol and maybe sandpaper if it doesn’t get better.
I put Finish Line Bicycle Disc Brake Cleaner on my rotors and pads (following instructions on the bottle). Now it feels like I sprayed lubricant all over my rotors and pads. In the past I’ve just used rubbing alcohol to clean up rotors. This feels immeasurably worse now. Brakes were running fine before I stupidly decided to “clean everything up”.
Anyone have this experience with this product or have any ideas why a bicycle-specific cleaner made for pads and rotors would make my brakes feel soooo, soooo terrible? I have a full ride on them post-cleaning too. No improvement.
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If you consider the movement of people around Metro Van for “essential” travel such as work or shopping, then travel for recreation seems somewhat inconsequential considering the benefits. Also, how is one’s local community being defined? Is it with a specific distance? I’m closer to Seymour than some parts of North Van and same for Fromme. I can see travel from Vancouver to the Fraser Valley as not being local, but going between neighbourhoods seems awfully restrictive in the bigger picture.
It isn’t a matter of local at this point (at least as far as the new “recommendations” go). The new verbal guidance as of a couple days ago (again not an order and I don’t believe this new guidance has made its way into any travel advisories published by the province yet) is for people to stay in their “immediate neighbourhood” unless it is for “essential travel”.
Here’s what the provincial government has published about what is deemed “essential” under its current travel advisory:
“Individual circumstances may affect whether a trip is considered essential or non-essential. Essential travel within B.C. includes:
Regular travel for work within your region
Travel for things like medical appointments and hospital visits
For example, if you live in Vancouver and work in Surrey you can continue to commute.”
The province may have published more about what is deemed essential elsewhere but I can’t find it at the moment. Months ago the recommendation was to ski only at your local hill, which presumably meant if you live in the Lower Mainland you were good to ski at Seymour, Grouse or Cypress but not Whistler, Big White, Kicking Horse, etc. But that was before we were told that we should be staying in our “immediate neighbourhoods” and before these new variants started surging.
As far as what “immediate neighbourhood” means, who knows. Is that 500m from my home? 1km from my home? I don’t know. I’m fairly confident though that it isn’t supposed to mean 10km from my home. Are Burnaby Heights or Hastings Sunrise in the same immediate neighbourhood as any part of Seymour? Is any part of North Van even in the same immediate neighbourhood as Cypress? I doubt it but until there is a clear order prohibiting non-essential travel, everyone is just being asked to use their best judgment about these things and avoid looking for loopholes in the guidance.
If the provincial authorities deem exercising in the mountains essential in the current circumstances (i.e. since we’ve been asked to stay in our immediate neighbourhoods as of a couple days ago) that would be great to know.
There still seems to be some confusion about what is a recommendation and what is a hard prohibition (i.e. an order). There’s no general order in BC prohibiting non-essential travel (at least not as of today...but given how things are going an order or orders may be on the way). I believe some small communities may have passed emergency bylaws to prevent non-essential travel to their particular community. But I don’t think we’re talking about any of those communities here. The current “stay in your own neighbourhood” / “don’t travel to other communities unless it is essential” is something like a very very strong recommendation. But it doesn’t have the force of law.
To be clear though, I think we should do our best to follow those recommendations, even if they aren’t orders. Which means I’m going to need a big fan ASAP because most of my riding for the next while will probably be on the trainer in my garage (which sucks but is far better than getting and/or spreading COVID).