I’m pretty sure they will offer CC frameonly at $3,299 and alloy frame only at $1,999 but typically ship completes for a few weeks to a month before making those available.
Great write up! I’m glad to see so much thought put into the dropouts- esp love the 142 SS option. If I wasn’t a happy owner of a SS ti honzo, I’d be reaching for my wallet right now.
I absolutely agree with your thoughts on carbon wheels + hardtails. I do wonder how the new Zipp moto rims would work.
Do you have any thoughts on ride quality compared to the honzo?
Nice to see a carbon hardtail w/ proper SS dropouts that will run a 142 SS hub.
I do wish they had gone a bit more modern on the SA- (if nothing else to support slight over-forking) - but I'll try one before I jump to conclusions.
I'm looking forward to the long term SS review! Let us know if you get any conclusive answer about the 88t option for a Pro4 hub- I hope you're right!
Thanks Cam! I’m currently doing a ‘min-max’ build on a Ripmo, and leaning toward a similar drivetrain setup. (XT and Xtr 11 speed stuff) I’ll probably just keep using my XG1195 cassette until it’s worn out... but at that point I’m looking at either an E13 or Garbaruk to get a little bit more range.
Glad to hear you had such a good first experience on the YT. I bet they are going to sell a lot of these...
Geometry numbers of the CF-Pro 29 and the Ripmo are nearly identical. That’s probably not a bad thing.
How did that e-13 hybrid drivetrain compare to 11 speed shimano, or GX-Eagle?
Thanks Andrew! Sounds like good news but I’ll definitely double check before I order parts. Glad to hear you had such a good experience with this cassette. I was a bit wary or 3rd party cassettes at first, but e13 is proving to be a great option for many.
Will it work with the forthcoming (someday, maybe) xtr9100 shifter and mid-cage derailleur?
It’s hard to deny that this will be a game changer for the entry level market- especially if it’s actually durable and reliable.
This is the first truly affordable (especially at OEM cost) ‘full’ range 1x drivetrain. (Shimano SLX 11-46 was close)
Yes, 615g is a heavy cassette... but on a hardtail it’s a worthwhile trade off for the range, compatibility, and ease of use.
I bet in about 2yrs we will see shimano roll out SLX 11-51 and it will be great too.
I did get to spend some time on the 111, right before they cut it from the line. Super fun well balanced bike- I wish I had bought one years ago. I ended up going with a tallboy3 as it’s as close to a carbon 111 as I could get. (And I’m super happy with that decision, 68 degree HA and all. My biggest gripe is the 73degree STA, but pushing the saddle forward mostly solves this... measurement shows I have a 74.5 Effective STA)
I’m glad you put so much focus on describing the dynamic effects of that steep STA. It sounds like a 75 degree STA would have made you much happier. I hope you do get a chance to put the longer fork and dvo shock on this bike and do a follow up.
I would love to see bike reviews measure actual STA at their saddle height. If a standard for measuring could be agreed upon, this would be great information to have. What’s printed in geo charts is very arbitrary
My rims arrived in a timely manner and so far I’m very impressed. Finish quality is excellent, they built up easily, and the ride quality is great! Spoke tension is more even due to the offset drilling.
Compared to the flow Mk3 rims they replace, they feel lighter and more precise, and they definitely spin up faster. As expected, trail feedback is heightened somewhat, but they aren’t overly harsh. I’m going to need to experiment with tire pressure, as I feel like small changes are more noticible than they were with the alloy hoops. The best way I can describe the feeling is that with my alloy rims the tire and rim felt like more of a ‘unit’ whereas with the carbon rims, I can really focus on what the tire is doing because the rims are stiffer.
Update: After a season on the WAO rims... I have very little to add. They’re perfectly true and perform like new. I’m very happy with my purchase.
I just ordered a pair of the ‘insider’ rims, as they are a better match for my riding style. I’ll report back here after a month or so of use. So far, We Are One is one of the most helpful companies I’ve ever dealt with- they advised me on rim selection, as well as best practices for building a wheel with their rims (spoke tension, as well as spoke and nipple selection)
Thanks for the update!
I would love to see STA and CS become size specific. This seems like a place where forward thinking manufacturers who build aluminum bikes could compete against the 'carbon only' companies who are using one rear triangle on all sizes to save cost. At 5ft 10 I am usually happy with the 'middle of the road' numbers, but I'm all for shorter and taller riders having bikes that fit and ride equally well.
One online bike review site has it listed at 30.5lbs - I think they had a large DL
From what I understand, that perceived 'sweet-spot' is creeping forwards, and with that we are seeing steeper effective ST angles and longer reach numbers without changing ETT much. I think the goal is to end up with a bike the both climbs and descends better, while being more stable as a product of longer wheelbase and front center.
But yeah- I wonder how far is too far? I'm glad brands like Kona are willing to experiment. Personally I would imagine running this bike with a 150 fork and pushing the saddle back a bit to get my desired fit on a Large.
I was expecting a bike like this from Kona, but guessed it would have a 67 degree HA and 75-76 degree SA more in line with the new process models.
I'm interested to hear more in-depth feedback on riding a bike with a 78+ degree seat angle.
If my figures are correct, that would put the seat over 1 1/2 inches further forward relative to the cranks compared to the 73 degree angle on my Tallboy 3. At the moment, I have my seat all the way forwards, and really appreciate what that does for my position on the bike. If I had to guess, I think I'm running about a 74.5 effective angle in that position. You would need to slam the seat all the way back on the Satori to get into the same position.
I hope I can demo a Satori this spring- I'm intrigued. Between this bike and the new Smuggler, we are seeing two unique and progressive approaches to new school geometry.