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Cambodia decommissioned

July 24, 2015, 4:37 p.m.
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Lola was named after the woman who died on the trail. I hope that if Lola is decommissioned they will leave the metal plaque on a rock on the trail that commemorates her.

when did this happen? i don't recall anything in the news about it.

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July 24, 2015, 4:57 p.m.
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It's like the telephone game, each time the message goes around it gets distorted.

Nobody died on Lola.

The builder was honoring someone close to them.

July 24, 2015, 5:30 p.m.
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Someone recently posted a map showing the confusing situation of land management on Fromme. All of it is within the DNV I believe, but some is owned by Grouse Mtn., and some is within Lynn Headwaters Regional Park (Metrovancouver).

Lola was named after the woman who died on the trail. I hope that if Lola is decommissioned they will leave the metal plaque on a rock on the trail that commemorates her.

There is an interactive overlay of rough landowners borders on the "advanced" map tab for Seymour on Trailforks.
http://www.trailforks.com/region/mount-seymour/map/

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July 24, 2015, 5:46 p.m.
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^^^
How accurate are the boundaries? The map suggests that none of Dale's is on Metro land. Is that really the case?

July 24, 2015, 5:49 p.m.
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Its rather hard to find the data, it doesn't seem to be in one of the data sets here http://geoweb.dnv.org/data/

Seems accurate, based on the same shape of the CHMC block in this screenshot:

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July 24, 2015, 7:30 p.m.
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Compare the above two maps to this one
http://bb.nsmb.com/showpost.php?p=2881284[HTML_REMOVED]postcount=27

July 24, 2015, 7:49 p.m.
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From nsmba.ca-

"To provide feedback and share your comments directly with Metro Vancouver, please email: LSCR@metrovancouver.org and cc: info@nsmba.ca"

Done. If there's anything else we can do, please let us know. It would be nice if we could address our letters to specific person(s) with names instead of an email alias that probably nobody ever reads.

I get the feeling that they just don't give a damn what anyone in the community thinks. The rest is just lip service. They go through the motions of taking public input, then they do whatever the hell they feel like. It would be great to hear a definitive statement from them regarding the future of CBC. The fact that they're being cagey and vague about it is a red flag. And that is not to say that I'm ok with losing Cambodia as long as we can keep CBC.

July 24, 2015, 8 p.m.
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Done. If there's anything else we can do, please let us know. It would be nice if we could address our letters to specific person(s) with names instead of an email alias that probably nobody ever reads.

you must have missed this:

one of the issues with metro is that they are not a directly elected body like the DNV, DWV, COB, etc which means they are somewhat insulated by a level of bureaucracy from us, the voters. therefore, we cannot put direct presure on individual council members via council meetings or elect members that are mtb friendly. in order to put pressure on the lscr it means putting pressure on the elected representatives from all the regional governments that sit on the metro board and it's comittees. while it is worthwhile to voice your displeasure directly with the LSCR it is more important to voice it with the board or comittee member from the area you reside in. in order for this to be effective, we as a community need to make enough noise that the elected officials know this may potentially be an election issue for them in the futre.

metro has 38 directors representing 21 municiplaities. the list of directors can be found here:
http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/membership/board-members/Pages/default.aspx

further, there is a comittee at metro that is in charger of regional parks. those comittee members can be found here:
http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/membership/committee-members/Pages/default.aspx

now besdies wrting a letter to the right people, as voters we are also allowed to speak to the metro board and it's committees. in this case, the regional parks committee. in order to do so, an application must be made in order to speak.

to speak before the metro baord, specifically the GVRD:
http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/delegations/boards/Pages/default.aspx

to speak before the regional parks committee:
http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/delegations/committees/Pages/default.aspx

the next board meeting takes place at 9am, Fri July 28th and a minimum of 48 hours notice is required to submit an application to speak before the board. if people wish to speak then an application should be made in the next few days.

the next regional parks takes place at 9am on Thur, Sept 3rd and a minimum of 9 working days is required to submit an application to speak before the comittee. there is a process to apply as a late delegation, but only if there is a report on their agenda that realtes to our topic.

if someone is going to speak at the upcoming metro board meeting, the application needs to happen quickly. i would also suggest not delaying in applying to speak before the parks committee.

links to the agendas for the meeting on July 28th are here:
parks - http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/GVRDParks/RDP_2015-Jul-31_AGE.pdf
gvrd - http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/GVRD/RD_2015-Jul-31_AGE.pdf

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July 24, 2015, 10:16 p.m.
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It's like the telephone game, each time the message goes around it gets distorted.

Nobody died on Lola.

The builder was honoring someone close to them.

Thanks for the clarification. But just looking at the metal plaque and its statement about Lola, and the location, on a trail named Lola, it's easy to come to the conclusion that the trail was named after her following her death on the trail. Yes I don't believe it says she died on the trail.

Trails are sometimes named after people who died on or near a trail, such as the Scott Paul Trail on the south side of Mt Baker. As one of the Forest Service rangers in that area he conceived the idea of the trail and it's final name was his, after he died.

Yes mtn bike trails have all kinds of odd names, mostly having nothing to do with the area they are in.

July 24, 2015, 10:54 p.m.
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From nsmba.ca-

"To provide feedback and share your comments directly with Metro Vancouver, please email: LSCR@metrovancouver.org and cc: info@nsmba.ca"

Done. If there's anything else we can do, please let us know. It would be nice if we could address our letters to specific person(s) with names instead of an email alias that probably nobody ever reads.

You could contact upper level management at Metro Vancouver:
Mitch Sokalski is Director of Regional Parks (incl. LSCR)

There is a person in charge of the LSCR but his name is not on the website as far as I can tell. Might still be Mike Mayers, Mike.Mayers@metrovancouver.org (as of 2014).
The new Operations Foreman at LSCR is Megan Kobitzsch (Megan.Kobitzsch@metrovancouver.org)

If you want to write letters then address them to one or more of the above people at:
MetroVancouver, 4330 Kingsway, Burnaby BC, V5H 4G8

July 24, 2015, 11:19 p.m.
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So taking a step back, I have a few questions:

- What is the incentive to Metro Van to partner with the mountain bike community?

- It seems that Metro Van's only concern is liability, possibly driven by insurance. How is it that other land managers are comfortable with a higher level of risk, and is this variance a function of differences in insurance coverage?

- Metro Van seems to want to independly manage the mountain biking trail network on their area, and they seem okay with low-risk trails. What is their vision, and why do they bother pouring resources into bike trails at all?

- How can we get clarity on the boundaries of the different mangement areas? Surely someone must have this information and an accurate map that can be overlaid with bike trails.

July 25, 2015, 9:24 a.m.
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As far as riding cambodia in its current state …to me it's not worth it.
-most of the rock faces are still ok, however some have the transition raked out, or sticks placed on them.
-rocks and other build-ups that made rolling over drops or logs etc have all been removed
-the trail has been completely removed on side slopes where the trail had been built out to allow bikes to ride them
-build ups through dips have been removed
-all woodwork has been removed
-all natural jumps have been destroyed as well

If you plan to ride it there is still a bit of fun to be had, but the amount of times you will be on and off your bike will be a bit frustrating.

There was a Metro Vancouver sign that said "all bike structures have been removed"

July 25, 2015, 12:05 p.m.
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As far as riding cambodia in its current state …to me it's not worth it.
-most of the rock faces are still ok, however some have the transition raked out, or sticks placed on them.
-rocks and other build-ups that made rolling over drops or logs etc have all been removed
-the trail has been completely removed on side slopes where the trail had been built out to allow bikes to ride them
-build ups through dips have been removed
-all woodwork has been removed
-all natural jumps have been destroyed as well

If you plan to ride it there is still a bit of fun to be had, but the amount of times you will be on and off your bike will be a bit frustrating.

There was a Metro Vancouver sign that said "all bike structures have been removed"

To summarize, so much negative effort and deconstruction that could have been used for positive and towards building something good.

Thanks for the info on current trail status.

July 25, 2015, 4:37 p.m.
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So if Mike Mayers is the decision maker, maybe we should be focusing on him. As mere taxpayers we don't have much pull, but a little accountability and public involvement is necessary.

July 25, 2015, 4:48 p.m.
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- It seems that Metro Van's only concern is liability, possibly driven by insurance.

- Metro Van seems to want to independly manage the mountain biking trail network on their area, and they seem okay with low-risk trails.

Metro crews have recently decommissioned some gently rolling (but presumably unsanctioned) loamers too, so it appears they want to exercise control over what they feel is "their" land, period. They're investing a lot of resources doing it too, no half-assing it.

Quite a few of these signs out there…

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