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Squamish 2015 Trail Conditions

Nov. 18, 2015, 5:56 p.m.
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hoping to take the little guy up to ride half-nelson this weekend - is there snow on the trails yet?

rode up legacy yesterday and this am at 7:45 climb was perfect, few small puddles after the rain, but half-nelson, recycle and all the way down is perfect, few leaves near the bottom, it is getting colder and tomorrow should be a few degrees colder again, but the weekend is looking nice..shot some vid which shows it… if ya want to see conditions https://youtu.be/GUUQhSYSyLY

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@Dave Norona

Nov. 19, 2015, 6:01 p.m.
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Any Squamish folks able to give me an idea on how it will be getting into Watersprite Lk on Saturday, assuming it doesnt snow before then?

Nov. 19, 2015, 6:24 p.m.
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Hey Mike,

I imagine the deactivated fsr road will have some snow (800 meter elevation).
if taking a bike, fire me a note, i have some beta for you to improve the day's exploration.

Nov. 20, 2015, 9:42 a.m.
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Hey Squamish people, anyone riding fat bikes in the snow yet?

Trail suggestions for this weekend?

Thanks!

Nov. 20, 2015, 5:01 p.m.
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Hey Mike,

I imagine the deactivated fsr road will have some snow (800 meter elevation).
if taking a bike, fire me a note, i have some beta for you to improve the day's exploration.

Hey slynx,

thanks for the info. Not taking the bike this time. Planning to head in on foot.

Nov. 29, 2015, 5:53 p.m.
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Hey slynx,

thanks for the info. Not taking the bike this time. Planning to head in on foot.

Hey Mike,

I imagine the deactivated fsr road will have some snow (800 meter elevation).
if taking a bike, fire me a note, i have some beta for you to improve the day's exploration.

Hiked into Watersprite Lake yesterday. Nice spot and a great day.

Dec. 15, 2015, 11:22 a.m.
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Attention- Recycle is closed indefinitely, and access is limited to Half Nelson, Angry Midget, and numerous other trails. Recycle is totally fragged in multiple sections and unsafe for entry. In their infinite wisdom to approve a large set of clear cuts right smack dab in the very center and very heart of the Ring Creek riding area, a slide has occurred that came down over lower Recycle, through the woods, and over two roads. Apparently, now a second slide has come down over P'nuts Wild Ride. Great thinking. The double-track from the SORCA shelter up to Half Nelson has been turned into a large industrial road, and all the water that used to filter down the mountain has been channeled into large ditches and culverts to slice through the mountain side. Recycle is fragged in multiple locations, and dozens upon dozens of trees have had their roots washed bare, meaning a maze of falling timber for the next few years. Great stuff. Really fu**ing fantastic. Probably will snow this week, so chances are you won't see it until after the melt (when the slides get bigger and the ditches get deeper). But remember, logging built this province, and we would all be living in caves and wiping our asses with rocks if it wasn't for logging, and logging invented electricity and penicillin, so we should forgive logging for anything, and be grateful they let us even step foot in the woods.

Dec. 15, 2015, 2:45 p.m.
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Fuck…

Dec. 15, 2015, 9:40 p.m.
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Any update ? Can you climb to A midget still ?

Dec. 15, 2015, 9:51 p.m.
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fuckin meat heads

Dec. 15, 2015, 10 p.m.
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Yup. You can still take Legacy. You can't take the road past Half Nelson though. First, there is active hauling on the road. Two, it is a muddy rutted shthole, and it will stay that way for the forseeable future thanks to the infinite wisdom of the fcktreads at BC Timber Sales. Three, there are yarder haul lines anchored into trees across the trail close to the top of AM, and ample DO NOT ENTER signs.

Really, you're better off riding elsewhere in the winter anyways. AM just gets rutted out when people ride it in the rain and mud.

Next time you head up there, you'll shake your head. The whole area has been completely fcked over. Every tourist and rider that comes up to see the world famous Half Nelson will now be greeted by a pair of big clearcuts, and instead of a nice double-track climb, they'll be escorted along their alternately dusty and muddy rut-ride by a shtty row of dodgy trees waiting for the next wind storm to knock them down on the trail.

Of course it wasn't possible for the forest industry to possible survive without carving out this one little scrap of timber. I understand that they all would have had to sell their trucks and mortgage their homes if they didn't rip out this parcel of land that is exactly smack dab in the middle of Full Nelson, Half Nelson, Powersmart, 19th Hole, Recycle, IMBA Smart and the rest of the Ring Creek System. Forget the multi-million dollar, infinitely sustainable MTB industry in Squamish. This company of less than 20 people was so desperate for a few weeks of work in this exact location, they needed to take action now! I mean they cut pretty much everything else, they might have actually gone to single-stuffed oreos if they didn't pillage out this exact and specific piece of land. There simply aren't any forests left anywhere else. This morsel was their last hope, and they had not other options. I mean cynical people might say that it was just easy money being only 10 minutes from town, but I've seen those big houses the owners of the company live in…those cost a lot to clean, and they're people too. It simply was not an option to seek harvesting options anywhere else, they needed this piece of land. So what if it is the very core and the very heart of our recreation infrastructure? This was self-defense. I mean what can you expect them to do when the town starts to get a real recreation economy going. You might even say that those ruthless bastards with their gondolas, festivals, races, and hungry crowds of tourists struck first. The forest industry had no choice, and BCTS was cornered by recreation with no other option other than to rubber stamp this strike-back. They might have had to settle for only fake chrome lettering on their F350s if they were forced to actually make a proper road with adequate drainage. I heard that it would have actually caused the owner of Squamish Mills to have a heart attack if he had to put in a half dozen extra culverts, leave a few more trees, and properly shore up that steepest part of the road. Letting it sluff away and destroy Recycle was really a matter of necessity. I mean, you couldn't expect him to put off the roof on his other house could you?

Meathead doesn't even come close to adequately describing the quality of the brainiacs that planned out these cutblocks. The shortsighted stupidity of it is Trumpian.

Dec. 15, 2015, 11:01 p.m.
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^ that's quite the rant there. You know, that is all private property that they have ALLOWED riders to use for decades. Don't like what they do on their property? How about YOU buy land for thousands of strangers to use and bitch when you need to feed the family.

Dec. 15, 2015, 11:03 p.m.
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Not private property. It's BCTS managed crown land. "Publicly owned" resources. What we call the commons.

Dec. 15, 2015, 11:06 p.m.
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[QUOTE=cerealkilla';2900156]Not private property. You're dead wrong. It's BCTS managed crown land. "Publicly owned" resources. What we call the commons.

I was always told that the BCTS starts on the north side of the road, above Cake Walk and the property line up to their is owned by the same guy that owns Cardinal/the University properties.

Dec. 15, 2015, 11:25 p.m.
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It can be very hard to figure out who owns what without a GPS and a dozen maps. However, the land in question is indeed Crown Land. The land above Cake Walk is mostly park.

The private landowner you speak of is indeed very cooperative to biking. He recently logged a vast chunk of his land, and nobody peeped because, well, it was his land, and we're luck to play on it. Same thing with the Merrill-Ring owned land over by Cliffs and Robs Corners. In fact, the private landowners have been among the most cooperative actors in the forestry world. The riders in Squamish know this and are grateful. However, we expect better from our own government.

There are signs everywhere at the current cut-site indicating BCTS. Also, anything with Section 57 on it can only occur on Crown Land, so that's a dead giveaway. So, apparently BCTS has come in to "investigate". What a fcking joke. BCTS has a mandate to harvest and sell logs. They are the Ministry of Logging. These are the same f8cktreads that came up with the plan to log the backside of the Chief, right under the new Gondola, and only backed off when the town nearly went thermonuclear on them. It is an utter and total conflict of interest for them to be "investigating" their own contractor. They'll spout some placating bllsh*t about how standards were followed and so forth, but numerous NGOs have already pointed out the obvious COI in what BCTS pretends to do.

Squamish Mills is merely the contractor that bid on the job. That being said, they're also the wads that plowed and blasted through the road, caused the slides, and the ones that will probably do a half-assed job of cleaning it up. Make no mistake. This will be a legacy of erosion and unsightliness. The whole area is permanently fracked. Instead of water naturally percolating down the mountain and keeping soils moist, we now have a few sparsely spaced culverts blasting deep channels down the hill. Think it sounds bad or looks bad now? Give it a heavy snowpack, a nice erdoing freshette, and a few years of falling trees and dislodged rootballs, and we can have a couple of real good slide zones. Hey, maybe we can all ride our bikes indoors now! Any idiot, or forest planner, could have and should have figured this out in advance. Look below the clearcut and what do you see? Half Nelson, AM, Recycle, P-Nuts Wild Ride, Lowdown, Macleod, Hybrid, Pseudo Tsugas, Panda and so forth.

Next up is the big chunk of forest over by IMBA-Smart. That'll be nice. I really look forward to seeing these big jigsaw chunks missing from the hillside. I was sick of that view up towards Atwell Peak. You know the one that thousands of tourists take pictures of. I really think that our visitors from the other 5 populated continents will enjoy the debris flows through the woods, the site of a sea of stumps as they pedal up to Half Nelson, and the replacement of our unique and forested trails with just a bunch more clearcut, hardpacked, washboarded, dumbed down, semi-jump trails that are indistinguishable from the bulldozed dirt-jumps behind the supermarket in their hometown.

Yup. Thanks BCTS. Thanks BC Government. Glad you haven't evolved your view of the resource base since the Royal Commission of the 1950s.

As for feeding the family, the owners of the forestry companies around here are not missing any meals. I've seen their houses. Their workers, them I support. I support logging in general. Just not ass-hat logging right in the dead-center of the most valued recreational infrastructure in the town. We have cutting go on up the valleys, up and down the sound, and on private land. There was no need at all for them to go after this chunk.

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