i must be weird - i really like the tc/joe's climb. the view out over the inlet is amazing, i've taken some really nice pictures. and it's a pretty easy climb, compared to say burke or eagle.
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i must be weird - i really like the tc/joe's climb. .
Affirmative. That's kinky.
Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.
Does anyone know how the trails are handling all this rain? Hoping to get out for some laps of Nicoles/Gear Jammer/Mels/Pandora etc tomorrow.
Any local knowledge would be appreciated before I make the drive from UBC
Does anyone know how the trails are handling all this rain? Hoping to get out for some laps of Nicoles/Gear Jammer/Mels/Pandora etc tomorrow.
Any local knowledge would be appreciated before I make the drive from UBC
Bump - anybody have some input?
are you worried because you'll get dirty, or concerned that you'll wreck the trails? all of the trails need work, another rider in the rain isn't going to change that. just go ride.
Oh, I know I'll get plenty dirty. Just wanted to make sure the trails hadn't washed away! ;) I'll head out there later this morning
Had a fun couple hours out there today - rode just about everything (Pandora twice, Nicoles, Gear Jammer, Mels, Snake, Dead Moped, etc.)
The worst off seemed to be lower down and east - Dead Moped was sopping wet (North Rd. trail less so) and covered in big slimy leaves. Also, upper Mels has a huge tree down on the right line (don't know the names up there - but the one that has a bridge with handrails just a couple of turns in and after a little drop).
Pandora and Nicoles seemed to be in the best shape - very little mud on Pandora, and Nicoles was at least less leaf-covered than the other trails near it.
Hopefully this rain lets up next week!
Here is the 1 minute crude sketch. 1st section will be from Pump Station up to watermain trail/Naheno junction. I drew it in red.
Those look to be, from behind the barriers anyway, nearing completion. Wonder if they'll work on the rest through the winter.
Really nice crisp fall ride up there today, not too sloppy at all.
Looks like that braid on Upper Cut is gaining in popularity!
And folks nearing the end of Lower Snake seem to be unable/unwilling to slow enough over those last right then left drops to stay on the original line.
What the hell are handlbars for, anyways?
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Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.
Those look to be, from behind the barriers anyway, nearing completion. Wonder if they'll work on the rest through the winter.
Really nice crisp fall ride up there today, not too sloppy at all.
Looks like that braid on Upper Cut is gaining in popularity!
And folks nearing the end of Lower Snake seem to be unable/unwilling to slow enough over those last right then left drops to stay on the original line.
What the hell are handlbars for, anyways?
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I blocked that lower braid, even naturalized it a bit. I hope they didn't shred my freshly transplanted fern :-( short cutting that last little part pushed a bunch of dirt down slope, causing a big mud pit. Strava!!
I heart bby mountain in the rain.
Wrong. Always.
I blocked that lower braid, even naturalized it a bit. I hope they didn't shred my freshly transplanted fern :-( short cutting that last little part pushed a bunch of dirt down slope, causing a big mud pit. Strava!!
sadly your fern was well shredded with fresh tire tracks today. however, we blocked off that braid with logs (and a few others) and planted more ferns. next up - pungee sticks.
sadly your fern was well shredded with fresh tire tracks today. however, we blocked off that braid with logs (and a few others) and planted more ferns. next up - pungee sticks.
if that doesnt work, build a tiger trap hole…
sadly your fern was well shredded with fresh tire tracks today. however, we blocked off that braid with logs (and a few others) and planted more ferns. next up - pungee sticks.
Ha, not surprising. It was a bit of an afterthought anyway…but still, plant killers! That one log was real heavy. I can't believe people stop and spend time to clear the section. Whatever happened to just riding? I guess they didn't get a PR on Strava, must straighten the trail! Maybe they don't know that the 'fast times' for those trails are on trail/xc bikes on the original line. Anyway, a little love to the main line might be all that's needed for these sections in question. Not sure what at this point. -thinking cap on- ;-)
Just to flesh out this discussion of agreeable souls. I hate stupid braids, and almost all are stupid. I hate damage to the integrity and beauty of our trails and their forests. This braid on Upper Cut is becoming a quiet little battleground. Opening the braid and closing the braid. Does it have to be? I ride the true line on my big bike and walk up half the incline most of the time. (An aside: I like riding up the mountain the route Lady Gravity mentioned a bit ago. And yes, on my big 39 lb bike. An awsome satisfying workout!)
I would rather ride the braid route but won't on principle. However, I have stopped, walked around, poked about and studied that little area. I see no damage coming from the braid. This seems to just be a pissing contest with one party staying hidden when they should stand up and put their case forward. I see no harm in having both options (THIS WOULD NOT BE MY POSITION ON 99% OF THE OTHER BRAIDS OUT THERE).
I would be interested to see how the hundreds of "quiet majority" riders would react to the choice. All riding whatever kinds of bikes they want without being told which are suitable to which trail. When Lower Snake was reworked a couple years back, there was a very similar section built: with a bermed ladder at the lowest point and then a short climb back up to the main line. Well, in that case, a braid began right off to avoid the section. Nothing much was done about it and today that section is basically forgotten. The braid, which was the original line, is again the main line. Why? The vast majority of our fellow mountain biking enthusiasts voted with their wheels. I for one am not going to judge them.
As a builder I know that braids can be avoided by simply routing trails where they have to go (where there are no alternatives) and where riders will like to go. Make a good trail and no one (save maybe some silly kids) will ride off of it. All riders like a good line.
It is possible that a few are trying to establish this braid. However, in my experience (including an agreeable discussion related directly to this sort of thing with Todd Fiander) braids like this are best be considered as feedback which usually finds support with a significant percentage of riders. Trail builders fail themselves when they become convinced that every line they have built is the correct one. If they all are, there would be no braids.
Like I said, I would use this braid route, but I refuse to; not unless it becomes obviously legit. In the meantime, lets just not assume that those making it are destructive idiots or riders who don't know how to ride. Way too judgemental and sanctimonious.
fall any fall line
Just to flesh out this discussion of agreeable souls. I hate stupid braids, and almost all are stupid. I hate damage to the integrity and beauty of our trails and their forests. This braid on Upper Cut is becoming a quiet little battleground. Opening the braid and closing the braid. Does it have to be? I ride the true line on my big bike and walk up half the incline most of the time. (An aside: I like riding up the mountain the route Lady Gravity mentioned a bit ago. And yes, on my big 39 lb bike. An awsome satisfying workout!)
I would rather ride the braid route but won't on principle. However, I have stopped, walked around, poked about and studied that little area. I see no damage coming from the braid. This seems to just be a pissing contest with one party staying hidden when they should stand up and put their case forward. I see no harm in having both options (THIS WOULD NOT BE MY POSITION ON 99% OF THE OTHER BRAIDS OUT THERE).
I would be interested to see how the hundreds of "quiet majority" riders would react to the choice. All riding whatever kinds of bikes they want without being told which are suitable to which trail. When Lower Snake was reworked a couple years back, there was a very similar section built: with a bermed ladder at the lowest point and then a short climb back up to the main line. Well, in that case, a braid began right off to avoid the section. Nothing much was done about it and today that section is basically forgotten. The braid, which was the original line, is again the main line. Why? The vast majority of our fellow mountain biking enthusiasts voted with their wheels. I for one am not going to judge them.
As a builder I know that braids can be avoided by simply routing trails where they have to go (where there are no alternatives) and where riders will like to go. Make a good trail and no one (save maybe some silly kids) will ride off of it. All riders like a good line.
It is possible that a few are trying to establish this braid. However, in my experience (including an agreeable discussion related directly to this sort of thing with Todd Fiander) braids like this are best be considered as feedback which usually finds support with a significant percentage of riders. Trail builders fail themselves when they become convinced that every line they have built is the correct one. If they all are, there would be no braids.
Like I said, I would use this braid route, but I refuse to; not unless it becomes obviously legit. In the meantime, lets just not assume that those making it are destructive idiots or riders who don't know how to ride. Way too judgemental and sanctimonious.
sorry to disagree, but braids widen the trail and look horrible. want to see an example of braids being let go? check out the mid section of nicoles - it's like a highway, probably 30ft where it once was single track.
uppercut was built by the BMBA with collaberation from the city. it was a big deal. sadly due to internal issues between the city and parks the BMBA has had to step back and at this point we're not sure what's going on.
the original line of uppercut is completely climbable - i haven't done it but i know several that do. same thing with mels (which also has a lot of braids near the transcanada junction).
thing is - burnaby is one of the easiest places to ride. there's a reason the trails are used for beginner riders, and beginner clinics. the braids that developed over this summer make the trails even easier - why?
as for no damage - again, i disagree. each braid used to have ground cover of ferns, moss, rocks and sometimes trees. so yes, there is always damage.
please stay on the trail :)
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