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Unwanted Cypress building

Jan. 9, 2025, 9:16 a.m.
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Posted by: cooperquinn

I haven't seen the final trail yet, but as Kever notes, the vision was always a difficult climb. One of the reasons for this is so it's a bit of a filter (yes, you can just shuttle, I know) for folks in what is primarily a zone of difficult, often high speed trails populated 

And the inevitable swarm of e-bikers won't care... It what it is I guess.

Jan. 9, 2025, 11:13 a.m.
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Does anyone have any info on a timeline for the Marr Creek bridge installation and/or final opening of the trail?

Feel free to DM me if preferred!

Jan. 9, 2025, 11:23 a.m.
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Perfect e-bike zone ;D Timeline was fall 2024, so it should happen soon. Us DH trail builders have been working hard and substantially completed a re-route (still closed, will be open soon). That section will feed into the new bridge when it's installed, meaning the old mystery line will be a go and the new mystery exit will be closed (well, half of it will be closed).

Parking will be a complete gong show when the climb opens. The new water towers caused 75% of the parking area to be deleted so expect mayhem at the lookout.


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Jan. 9, 2025, 12:07 p.m.
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Posted by: Kever

Parking will be a complete gong show when the climb opens. The new water towers caused 75% of the parking area to be deleted so expect mayhem at the lookout.

Considering how popular the lookout is with just tourists it seems rather short sighted of WV; perhaps it was a safety thing?  I suspect there were a few close calls with people meandering across the road and not looking for vehicles closely.

Jan. 9, 2025, 12:29 p.m.
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Could have been a practicality thing. Lots of soft excavation spoils from the tanks, easiest option was to shape, hydroseed, and walk away. The soil is still very soft. Maybe in time they will rebuild the lot across from the lookout.

Jan. 9, 2025, 4:01 p.m.
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Posted by: Kever

Perfect e-bike zone ;D Timeline was fall 2024, so it should happen soon. Us DH trail builders have been working hard and substantially completed a re-route (still closed, will be open soon). That section will feed into the new bridge when it's installed, meaning the old mystery line will be a go and the new mystery exit will be closed (well, half of it will be closed).

Parking will be a complete gong show when the climb opens. The new water towers caused 75% of the parking area to be deleted so expect mayhem at the lookout.

I wasn't even considering the possibility of doing pedal laps of those trails from the lookout lol. I was thinking of adding Jersey/MS laps to my BLT climb but I forgot that most people will do anything to avoid pedalling the BLT from the bottom. It's still 500m of vertical between the lookout and those trailheads.

Jan. 9, 2025, 11:04 p.m.
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Posted by: craw

Posted by: Kever

Perfect e-bike zone ;D Timeline was fall 2024, so it should happen soon. Us DH trail builders have been working hard and substantially completed a re-route (still closed, will be open soon). That section will feed into the new bridge when it's installed, meaning the old mystery line will be a go and the new mystery exit will be closed (well, half of it will be closed).

Parking will be a complete gong show when the climb opens. The new water towers caused 75% of the parking area to be deleted so expect mayhem at the lookout.

I wasn't even considering the possibility of doing pedal laps of those trails from the lookout lol. I was thinking of adding Jersey/MS laps to my BLT climb but I forgot that most people will do anything to avoid pedalling the BLT from the bottom. It's still 500m of vertical between the lookout and those trailheads.

From the lookout to top of jersey is just over 300m of vertical. It's easy, just boring AF up the road.

Jan. 10, 2025, 10:26 a.m.
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I was thinking of adding Jersey/MS laps to my BLT climb

Out of curiosity, how did you intend to do that? The new climbing trail is on the opposite side of the mountain so there's no obvious route between with BLT - though I guess you could pop out on the road at the picnic area switchback, cut across the Skyline trail then pick up the upper part of the climbing trail (assuming the Skyline Trail crosses the climbing trail)...


 Last edited by: SixZeroSixOne on Jan. 10, 2025, 10:27 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Wrong trail name. Doh
Jan. 10, 2025, 5:51 p.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome

Posted by: Polymath

Don't go to Seymour then.  The amount of rogue building, even in the most obvious of places, is getting WAYYY out of hand.  If you ride up Old Buck/Baden to Cabin Fever I pass now 8 unsanctioned loamers that branch off from the aforementioned main route.   Even worse, most are boring, featureless loamers that just go down with no reason, flow or features.  It's even worse on the Darkside.  At some point it is going to come to a head......and sadly it is going to have consequence for the builders of official trails in terms of what they can do and what will be allowed in the future.

Everyone should go to Cypress....  new trails/maintenance all the time there.   Super easy shuttles and quick access for the awesomeness of e-bikes!  Cypress = where real riders ride!

Real riders don't use ebikes, and even more so on a shuttle hill which makes the motor moot....

Jan. 11, 2025, 2:22 a.m.
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Posted by: Polymath

Posted by: LoamtoHome

Posted by: Polymath

Don't go to Seymour then.  The amount of rogue building, even in the most obvious of places, is getting WAYYY out of hand.  If you ride up Old Buck/Baden to Cabin Fever I pass now 8 unsanctioned loamers that branch off from the aforementioned main route.   Even worse, most are boring, featureless loamers that just go down with no reason, flow or features.  It's even worse on the Darkside.  At some point it is going to come to a head......and sadly it is going to have consequence for the builders of official trails in terms of what they can do and what will be allowed in the future.

Everyone should go to Cypress....  new trails/maintenance all the time there.   Super easy shuttles and quick access for the awesomeness of e-bikes!  Cypress = where real riders ride!

Real riders don't use ebikes, and even more so on a shuttle hill which makes the motor moot....

because burning gas is so much better to reach the top of the hill to ride your bike?

Jan. 11, 2025, 8:35 a.m.
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Posted by: SixZeroSixOne

I was thinking of adding Jersey/MS laps to my BLT climb

Out of curiosity, how did you intend to do that? The new climbing trail is on the opposite side of the mountain so there's no obvious route between with BLT - though I guess you could pop out on the road at the picnic area switchback, cut across the Skyline trail then pick up the upper part of the climbing trail (assuming the Skyline Trail crosses the climbing trail)...

BLT up to the upper works yard then roll down and across Cypress Resort Road. BLT climbs nearly to the 800m contour.

Down MS or JS, up the climbing trail to either do another MS/JS or back across the road to Blind Skier/SGS or climb from the lookout to Firehose-Fern-S&M or LTC or Roach Hit or Wutang. A climbing trail on the east side would improve connectivity a lot.


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Jan. 12, 2025, 9:43 a.m.
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Posted by: Ddean

Sorry - I don’t mean new trail builds, what’s been happening is people are building on existing trails. 

I know it’s a problem everywhere. Cypress builders just rip it all out.

It's an issue on Fromme too, even with signs and notes left.

Jan. 13, 2025, 2:53 p.m.
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Nearly all Cypress routes involve some version of snakes and ladders with the road if you want to ride eastside and westside trails. You can get a little bit creative and off the map to make it work, but the new climber isn't a panacea. But it is a nice addition - for better or worse I imagine the majority of traffic on it will be ebikes, but that's probably true of more trails than I want to admit. 

Anyway, it's been a very long time coming, and I'm excited to see the final bridge go in. The trail looks awesome, and while perhaps in the minority I'm gonna definitely use it for eastside laps, and as part of bigger Cypress routes.

Jan. 13, 2025, 3:45 p.m.
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Posted by: cooperquinn

Nearly all Cypress routes involve some version of snakes and ladders with the road if you want to ride eastside and westside trails. You can get a little bit creative and off the map to make it work, but the new climber isn't a panacea. But it is a nice addition - for better or worse I imagine the majority of traffic on it will be ebikes, but that's probably true of more trails than I want to admit. 

Anyway, it's been a very long time coming, and I'm excited to see the final bridge go in. The trail looks awesome, and while perhaps in the minority I'm gonna definitely use it for eastside laps, and as part of bigger Cypress routes.

Yup, Cyps has never been a convenient mtn to do laps on unless you're shuttling with multiples vehicles, like Shuttlewhore party style. I've found that it works great shuttling the first lap, climbing the second and then retrieve or do a third lap if you have a third vehicle. And of course it's all dependent on the rack situation. With how steep Cypress is and the way the road is, pedaling multiple laps on both sides of the mtn is a pita.

Jan. 13, 2025, 4:09 p.m.
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On a side note, can you imagine a gondola that went from somewhere near the pop-up village to the upper parking lot by the Old Growth Conservancy? How awesome would that be. Charge people $5 per lap and it would be packed.

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