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To the ass-hat on Bridle today at 5pm...rant-warning

May 6, 2021, 8:51 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

Because it's not for MTB.  Even the signs say so.

My understanding is that the Baden-Powell from IR Road up is okay for MTB.

Trailforks agrees with me (yes, I know that TF doesn't make the rules, but they're generally pretty good about reporting the rules).

May 6, 2021, 9:56 a.m.
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The last time I saw switch on a trail he was hiking so clearly his opinion is biased and should be ignored.

;)

May 6, 2021, 11:04 a.m.
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yup... I had a confrontation with him hiking on a mtb built trail and he said no biking as it's a hiking trail. Kook.


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May 6, 2021, 2:04 p.m.
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Posted by: Bull_Dozer

The Indian River road closure is complete BS...

This. I can only presume someone that lives out at woodlands is on council.... 

I live on the suburbia end of IR rd and I will tell you what is more dangerous than a few people hiking / biking in the forest; It's the speed at which entitled woodlands residents drive through our neighbourhood....

May 6, 2021, 2:07 p.m.
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"grey-haired, helmet-less, e-bike riding ass"

Is that a thing now? I've been doing a fair bit of paved pathway riding this spring with my 5 yo granddaughter, and we have encountered more than a few of the above, who blow by her without any consideration. She's a good rider, but as any parent knows, children can prone to wobbles and distractions. I'd add that the jerks have all been male.


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May 6, 2021, 2:13 p.m.
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Posted by: MaxRockatansky

Posted by: Bull_Dozer

The Indian River road closure is complete BS...

This. I can only presume someone that lives out at woodlands is on council.... 

I live on the suburbia end of IR rd and I will tell you what is more dangerous than a few people hiking / biking in the forest; It's the speed at which entitled woodlands residents drive through our neighbourhood....

Im a bit confused, are we talking about Indian River Drive? I am not aware of Indian River Road. This is a genuine question, not trying to be a smartass.

May 6, 2021, 2:39 p.m.
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Indian River Crescent has the "Local traffic only" sign on it

(weirdly, the same piece of road starts out as Indian River Drive then continues as Indian River Drive after the residential area - at least according to Google Maps...)

May 6, 2021, 2:55 p.m.
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"This. I can only presume someone that lives out at woodlands is on council.... 

I live on the suburbia end of IR rd and I will tell you what is more dangerous than a few people hiking / biking in the forest; It's the speed at which entitled woodlands residents drive through our neighbourhood...."

And the service/contractor workers that jet out there and back. Unreal the way people drive through there sometimes.


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May 6, 2021, 3:29 p.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome

yup... I had a confrontation with him hiking on a mtb built trail and he said no biking as it's a hiking trail. Kook.

Oh, so the President of the NSMBA lied to you?

Posted by: cooperquinn

@switch, as I'd guess you're aware, BP is the only trail between Mt Seymour Road and Indian River Drive mountain bikes are allowed on. And that stretch of BP is currently closed to all users because its in Seymour Provincial Park.
If riders are saying there's no signage about riding trails in that area (even when the park is open) they're either fibbing, or experiencing periods of blindness they should discuss with a doctor, as it sounds hazardous to have happen while mountain biking.
I'd also suggest that whoever is throwing my name around over there is either doing so in jest, or to be harmful. Hopefully its the former.

May 6, 2021, 4:14 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

Posted by: LoamtoHome

yup... I had a confrontation with him hiking on a mtb built trail and he said no biking as it's a hiking trail. Kook.

Oh, so the President of the NSMBA lied to you?

Posted by: cooperquinn

@switch, as I'd guess you're aware, BP is the only trail between Mt Seymour Road and Indian River Drive mountain bikes are allowed on. And that stretch of BP is currently closed to all users because its in Seymour Provincial Park.
If riders are saying there's no signage about riding trails in that area (even when the park is open) they're either fibbing, or experiencing periods of blindness they should discuss with a doctor, as it sounds hazardous to have happen while mountain biking.
I'd also suggest that whoever is throwing my name around over there is either doing so in jest, or to be harmful. Hopefully its the former.

Coconut is not all in the Provincial Park.  You can ride on unsanctioned trails on DNV and Metro land.  The trail was built by a mountain biker and that was the argument.  You said it wasn't and are completely wrong.  Bikes are going to go where the trails are and telling us where we can and can't go isn't going to work out well for you.  Let other people enjoy their activity.

FYI, the Seymour Provincial Park management plan is from the 60's when mtb'ing wasn't even invented.  Same management plan as Burke but you can bike there?

May 6, 2021, 11:09 p.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome
Same management plan as Burke but you can bike there?

Can you?  Sure.   Heres the map  

https://bcparks.ca/explore/parkpgs/pinecone/pinecone_burke.pdf?v=1620367446396

I was curious about the BC Parks Management Plan, that’s all...

https://bcparks.ca/planning/mgmtplns/pinecone-burke/pinecone-burke-mp.html

May 6, 2021, 11:29 p.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome

.....You can ride on unsanctioned trails on DNV and Metro land...

Really? I'd love this to be true so just wondering whether this constitutes legal advice...🤔😉

May 7, 2021, 4:22 a.m.
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Posted by: SixZeroSixOne

Posted by: LoamtoHome

.....You can ride on unsanctioned trails on DNV and Metro land...

Really? I'd love this to be true so just wondering whether this constitutes legal advice...🤔😉

riding and building are two different things. There are no bylaws (for DNV) that say you can't bike on unsanctioned trails. GVRD doesn't have anything either. No one has ever been fined for riding on these lands and never will be.  Only building trails is a no no but 99% of the sanctioned trails were once unsanctioned.

DNV bylaws

http://www.dnv.org/article.asp?c=74

Environmental Protection and Preservation Bylaw

http://www.dnv.org/upload/pcdocsdocuments/16kw01!.pdf - water, stream and pollution discharges

Park Control Bylaw

http://www.dnv.org/upload/pcdocsdocuments/6zmv01!.pdf - damage to parks in the DNV

DWV bylaws

http://westvancouver.ca/government/bylaws-strategies-reports/bylaws?sort_by=title&sort_order=ASC

Creeks bylaw

http://westvancouver.ca/sites/default/files/bylaws/CreeksBylawNo.3013%2C1982.pdf - construction that may impede waterflow

Parks Regulation bylaw

http://westvancouver.ca/sites/default/files/bylaws/ParksRegulationBylawNo.3110%2C1984.pdf - garbage, litter, animals, wildlife, tennis, golf, watersports, helmet use and pollution in DWV parks

GVRD bylaws

http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/bylaws/Pages/default.aspx

Regional Parks regulation http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards/bylaws/Amending%20Bylaws/GVRD_Consolidated_Bylaw_1177.pdf

3.4 - specifically regulates trail construction and (b)prohibits trail construction

15.2 - fine between $ 50 and $ 10,000

They are not land owners. They're land managers. They manage the land, for US the taxpayer.


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May 7, 2021, 4:59 a.m.
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Posted by: heckler

Posted by: LoamtoHome
Same management plan as Burke but you can bike there?

Can you? Sure. Heres the map

https://bcparks.ca/explore/parkpgs/pinecone/pinecone_burke.pdf?v=1620367446396

I was curious about the BC Parks Management Plan, that’s all...

https://bcparks.ca/planning/mgmtplns/pinecone-burke/pinecone-burke-mp.html

Burke has it's trails on Trailforks and TORCA has regular trail days and there are new trails popping up all the time and maintenance on existing ones so I'm not sure how that is. You get can get fined/imprisoned for riding in some areas of Seymour Provincial Park so it's all confusing and really doesn't make sense. They are working on new management plan but it's still in the works for both parks.

BC Parks Parks Act and enabling regulations

Parks Act - http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/00_96344_01

Parks, Conservancy and Recreation Areas Regulation - http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/180_90_01

25 - no riding a cycle unless permitted otherwise

Only in BC Parks is there a risk of imprisonment for riding bikes without permission. Curiously building trails without permission is not addressed as an offence under the Parks Act. Only the Forests Act addresses this issue but as there are no active forestry tenures in the North Shore that point is moot.


 Last edited by: LoamtoHome on May 7, 2021, 5:05 a.m., edited 3 times in total.
May 7, 2021, 7:07 a.m.
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Cool. You're informed.  I was only getting nyself informed.   Thanks for the links.

Trailforks shows all trails as unsanctioned and without a trail association on Burke BC Parks.   Its an uphill battle for a few dedicated volunteers to change that   They can all use our support via paid memberships  

https://torca.ca/trails/trail-building/

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