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The first e-bikes of the season riding up Mountain Highway

Aug. 31, 2017, 3:11 p.m.
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On Pinkbike’s eFailure

http://blistergearreview.com/featured/pinkbikes-efailure

This get posted yet?

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Aug. 31, 2017, 4:07 p.m.
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Posted by: dutch

On Pinkbike’s eFailure

http://blistergearreview.com/featured/pinkbikes-efailure

This get posted yet?

Great article. Pinkbike seems to have backed off (or is evaluating) after the negative feedback. They don't seem to be covering Pivot's new ebike. They used geolocating to only show Rocky's ebike shit to people outside of North America etc. 

I'm glad there seems to be growing push-back in comments and more people are understanding the risk to access these things pose. I think it's hilarious to read stories of ebike riders hanging back and being scared to pass people on climbs -- they know they are in the wrong. It's important that they know this and feel shame, these things should not be socially acceptable on non-motorized trails in BC.

Aug. 31, 2017, 4:50 p.m.
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Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: grambo

I'm glad there seems to be growing push-back in comments and more people are understanding the risk to access these things pose.

What risk is that?

Sept. 1, 2017, 3:34 a.m.
Posts: 2077
Joined: April 2, 2005

Posted by: bux-bux

Posted by: Sethimus

Posted by: zigak

Posted by: Sethimus

i never even sat on one dude, i live in berlin, there are no mountains here, at all. my fun these days are cyclocross bikes. i just work for a company that sells them while studying horticulture and needing to pay the bills. i dont even want to be in this industry any more as it just sucks. be it from the media side or now on the industry side, i've seen both. but e-bikes are here and they are staying, even more when the technology is shrinking more and more. and from my perspective there is no direct impact on trails just by having a motor instead of using your own legs to power your vehicle. at least with pedelecs, which are the only bikes that are legal here. electric mx bikes is what you should be concerned by, not some low powered e-bike...

I would like to challenge the bolded statement. It's been doing rounds, everybody in bike business is spouting it without any reservations.

My honest opinion is that the e-bike will find it's niche(s) and that's it.

One of those niches is certainly commuting. I'm all for it, replacing ICE cars with an e-bike, you have less congestion, less pollution and a fitter user. Honestly I don't see a downside to that one. This is also the segment that is generating the biggest number of sales, and those numbers are extrapolated shamelessly on to the other segments. However commuters need bikes that are cheap, bulletproof and last looong time - you can't make extra profits on that one.

There's a segment I call summer holiday bike, where an older (+40) couple buys 2 matching ebikes and make a holiday out of it. As you never know what kind of roads you will be riding on, it doesnt hurt to buy a little sturdier bike, maybe even a mtb (as the salesman suggests) and you end up with a 150mm e-fully riding (at most) the gravel roads. As these sales are not utility driven, but rather expendable income driven, you can make a killing on those as a bike company. But as far as I can see, the companies don't get who is actually buying these bikes so far. The marketing efforts suggests that they think those bikes are being bought by "serious" mountain bikers (readers of nsmb, pinkbike etc) who actually use their bikes on a regular basis hence the need of replacing them at much closer intervals. The actual numbers sold over the long time will be much, much lower.

The segment of e-mtbs for bros that the majority of mtb community is so afraid of, is preeety preeety* tiny. First of all those bikes are prohibitively expensive, second if you can afford a bike this expensive wouldn't you rather buy a regular bike for the same money and third, if you can afford it, chances are you work all day for it and not a lot of time left to ruin the reputation of the mtb community at large. And another thing - this segment is stealing your own customers, you're not gaining new ones, you're just converting existing customers to e-customers.

So to sum up, bike industry - scale back on the pushing of these e-mtbs, it won't pay as handsomely as you might think.

Just my 2 cents based on anecdotal evidence. I have been wrong before, maybe I am now too.

*coming october 1st

total bike market in germany down 2,2% over 2016 so far, e-bikes are up by 12%:

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/E-Bike-Markt-waechst-trotz-ruecklaeufiger-Fahrrad-Verkaufszahlen-3816617.html

your argument is invalid

Great post!

It's in German. So let me translate... Vee really like ze electrik bikes ya? Vee can plug zem in to das radio players and litzen to ze Kraftwerk.

FLACHWICHSER

you can't click on the translate button in chrome/use the google translate service on your own? geez...

@mods: can this guy get a warning or something? to get called "flachwichser" is not really nice...


 Last edited by: Sethimus on Sept. 1, 2017, 3:38 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Sept. 1, 2017, 8:38 a.m.
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Joined: Oct. 18, 2016

Kraftwerk is so sick and they were serious cyclists. I wonder what their position would be.

Sept. 12, 2017, 9:19 a.m.
Posts: 222
Joined: Feb. 24, 2017

Posted by: Sethimus

Posted by: bux-bux

Posted by: Sethimus

Posted by: zigak

Posted by: Sethimus

i never even sat on one dude, i live in berlin, there are no mountains here, at all. my fun these days are cyclocross bikes. i just work for a company that sells them while studying horticulture and needing to pay the bills. i dont even want to be in this industry any more as it just sucks. be it from the media side or now on the industry side, i've seen both. but e-bikes are here and they are staying, even more when the technology is shrinking more and more. and from my perspective there is no direct impact on trails just by having a motor instead of using your own legs to power your vehicle. at least with pedelecs, which are the only bikes that are legal here. electric mx bikes is what you should be concerned by, not some low powered e-bike...

I would like to challenge the bolded statement. It's been doing rounds, everybody in bike business is spouting it without any reservations.

My honest opinion is that the e-bike will find it's niche(s) and that's it.

One of those niches is certainly commuting. I'm all for it, replacing ICE cars with an e-bike, you have less congestion, less pollution and a fitter user. Honestly I don't see a downside to that one. This is also the segment that is generating the biggest number of sales, and those numbers are extrapolated shamelessly on to the other segments. However commuters need bikes that are cheap, bulletproof and last looong time - you can't make extra profits on that one.

There's a segment I call summer holiday bike, where an older (+40) couple buys 2 matching ebikes and make a holiday out of it. As you never know what kind of roads you will be riding on, it doesnt hurt to buy a little sturdier bike, maybe even a mtb (as the salesman suggests) and you end up with a 150mm e-fully riding (at most) the gravel roads. As these sales are not utility driven, but rather expendable income driven, you can make a killing on those as a bike company. But as far as I can see, the companies don't get who is actually buying these bikes so far. The marketing efforts suggests that they think those bikes are being bought by "serious" mountain bikers (readers of nsmb, pinkbike etc) who actually use their bikes on a regular basis hence the need of replacing them at much closer intervals. The actual numbers sold over the long time will be much, much lower.

The segment of e-mtbs for bros that the majority of mtb community is so afraid of, is preeety preeety* tiny. First of all those bikes are prohibitively expensive, second if you can afford a bike this expensive wouldn't you rather buy a regular bike for the same money and third, if you can afford it, chances are you work all day for it and not a lot of time left to ruin the reputation of the mtb community at large. And another thing - this segment is stealing your own customers, you're not gaining new ones, you're just converting existing customers to e-customers.

So to sum up, bike industry - scale back on the pushing of these e-mtbs, it won't pay as handsomely as you might think.

Just my 2 cents based on anecdotal evidence. I have been wrong before, maybe I am now too.

*coming october 1st

total bike market in germany down 2,2% over 2016 so far, e-bikes are up by 12%:

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/E-Bike-Markt-waechst-trotz-ruecklaeufiger-Fahrrad-Verkaufszahlen-3816617.html

your argument is invalid

Great post!

It's in German. So let me translate... Vee really like ze electrik bikes ya? Vee can plug zem in to das radio players and litzen to ze Kraftwerk.

FLACHWICHSER

you can't click on the translate button in chrome/use the google translate service on your own? geez...

@mods: can this guy get a warning or something? to get called "flachwichser" is not really nice...

Sorry.. I was just joking around.

Upon reflection,  Mountain bikers don't make these rules, so why e-bikers care at all what we think or spend time arguing, and trying to jam these things down our throats, it is a waste of time. Take your arguments to the proper authorities and just leave mountain bikers out of it, as e-bikes are a totally separate class of vehicle IMO. The MTB community isn't going to do it for you, start your own lobby group, see where that takes you.

Enjoy

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