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ebikes on the Shore

Aug. 20, 2021, 1:53 p.m.
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Joined: Feb. 24, 2017

Posted by: shoreboy

Posted by: andy-eunson

We’re kind of getting off track here from the original subject of type 1 ebikes on trails. I don’t think commuter ebikes are really much of an issue. If they get people out of cars and busses that’s a good thing. 

What does irk me are the excuse arguments to justify the use of ebikes off road. Oh it lets people with physical limitations ride. It allows unfit people to ride etc etc. Sure these things are true. But I haven’t seen any adds with old folks or infirm people riding ebikes. It’s quite simple, the main thrust of e mountain bikes is to climb faster so a rider can get more descents. That is the issue to discuss. Does this increased use cause a problem with trail wear and maintenance by mostly volunteer trail associations? I’ve read people say that was the same argument made by hikers against the use of mountain bikes back in the day. And those hikers were right. But from what I’ve seen the mountain bike groups stepped up big time with building and maintenance. 

Does the riding community desire growth of the sport through the inclusion of semi motorized bikes? Go the shore or Squamish or certain trails in Whistler and it’s pretty damn busy. Is that good or bad? My personal philosophy is anti growth for the sake of growth. I’ve heard it argued that if we want the sport to grow, as if it’s an incontrovertible argument that growth is good, we should embrace our ebike kin. I’m not convinced that infinite growth is good.

Agreed. I took this off on a tangent for sure. Apologies for that. Lets get back to the ebikes on trails discussion.

Why? We have talked about the EMtb issue to death. This thread was getting really interesting with some good points about ebikes in general.

Aug. 20, 2021, 9:58 p.m.
Posts: 999
Joined: May 11, 2018

Posted by: bux-bux 

Why? We have talked about the EMtb issue to death. This thread was getting really interesting with some good points about ebikes in general.

I agree. It's 77 pages later, the thread has evolved.

I have a few comments to respond to from last page but before I do, let me say - I wholly admit that I don't get ebikes. I am happy some people like riding them. I myself have ridden and still do ride bikes that others think are out dated or ridiculous. For instance, I rode a fully rigid 29er back in the year 2000 when 29ers were gauche and fully rigid was ridiculous. I currently ride a 27.5 hardtail with a 73 degree seat tube angle and a 450mm reach in size large - no one understands why I ride or like either of these, but I do. If ebikes are your jam, great 👍.  

Syncro, I don't think I've ever seen a post here with journal references- way to elevate the conversation. I actually didn't need any evidence to be convinced that exercise people like is a good thing. That being said, I know for fact that many of my patients are not getting the exercise they think they are because I do stress tests on them and we talk about their heart health and fitness level. I never tell them to stop ebiking but I encourage them to do some other exercise that will build their conditioning. Many ebike riders on here love cycling and use the motor to cover more ground but still get a great workout. If I assumed all my patients were using their ebikes like the riders on here, I would be misguided. On one occasion I had to convince a person that there was something wrong with their heart, a fact they couldn't understand because they ride their ebike every day. I won't go into details but sufficed to say they had open heart surgery a week later. 

Am I glad people ride ebikes and enjoy it, yes. Do I assume they are getting good exercise on them, no. Could they be getting exercise, yes. Is it good for the soul to ride on two wheels down a country road with the sun on your face and the wind at your back (motor assisted or not), HELL  YES! There are drugs that help people avoid heart attacks and strokes but none of the drugs actually make you healthy. Exercise is key, as is emotional health, family, friends, financial security, good diet etc etc. Medical school does not teach this perspective in bc in my experience; but people do understand this and a doctor saying so can sometimes go a long way.

KenN, your life sounds really really busy. I'm glad the motor on your ebike helps you fit everything in. Your ebike story is a commendable one in regards to the benefits of attaching a motor to a bike. Thanks for sharing it. This forum is a great place for all sorts of people with different experiences to share what they love about cycling. 

I'm interested to see where ebikes go as a form of transportation. I have bike commuted on and off for years including the 50k trip from downtown to whiterock. I don't bike commute any more, not because of the distance but because I hate getting to work drenched in sweat. Personally, I'd rather have an ebike with a throttle, the idea of getting all sweaty with a perfectly good motor between my legs seems superfluous, but obviously people like them for their own reasons. Enjoy your two wheeled contraptions and ride safe.

Aug. 21, 2021, 1:05 p.m.
Posts: 1239
Joined: Nov. 6, 2006

Posted by: RAHrider

Posted by: bux-bux 

Why? We have talked about the EMtb issue to death. This thread was getting really interesting with some good points about ebikes in general.

I agree. It's 77 pages later, the thread has evolved.

I have a few comments to respond to from last page but before I do, let me say - I wholly admit that I don't get ebikes. I am happy some people like riding them. I myself have ridden and still do ride bikes that others think are out dated or ridiculous. For instance, I rode a fully rigid 29er back in the year 2000 when 29ers were gauche and fully rigid was ridiculous. I currently ride a 27.5 hardtail with a 73 degree seat tube angle and a 450mm reach in size large - no one understands why I ride or like either of these, but I do. If ebikes are your jam, great 👍.  

Syncro, I don't think I've ever seen a post here with journal references- way to elevate the conversation. I actually didn't need any evidence to be convinced that exercise people like is a good thing. That being said, I know for fact that many of my patients are not getting the exercise they think they are because I do stress tests on them and we talk about their heart health and fitness level. I never tell them to stop ebiking but I encourage them to do some other exercise that will build their conditioning. Many ebike riders on here love cycling and use the motor to cover more ground but still get a great workout. If I assumed all my patients were using their ebikes like the riders on here, I would be misguided. On one occasion I had to convince a person that there was something wrong with their heart, a fact they couldn't understand because they ride their ebike every day. I won't go into details but sufficed to say they had open heart surgery a week later. 

Am I glad people ride ebikes and enjoy it, yes. Do I assume they are getting good exercise on them, no. Could they be getting exercise, yes. Is it good for the soul to ride on two wheels down a country road with the sun on your face and the wind at your back (motor assisted or not), HELL  YES! There are drugs that help people avoid heart attacks and strokes but none of the drugs actually make you healthy. Exercise is key, as is emotional health, family, friends, financial security, good diet etc etc. Medical school does not teach this perspective in bc in my experience; but people do understand this and a doctor saying so can sometimes go a long way.

KenN, your life sounds really really busy. I'm glad the motor on your ebike helps you fit everything in. Your ebike story is a commendable one in regards to the benefits of attaching a motor to a bike. Thanks for sharing it. This forum is a great place for all sorts of people with different experiences to share what they love about cycling. 

I'm interested to see where ebikes go as a form of transportation. I have bike commuted on and off for years including the 50k trip from downtown to whiterock. I don't bike commute any more, not because of the distance but because I hate getting to work drenched in sweat. Personally, I'd rather have an ebike with a throttle, the idea of getting all sweaty with a perfectly good motor between my legs seems superfluous, but obviously people like them for their own reasons. Enjoy your two wheeled contraptions and ride safe.

I wish we could still rep. Good post.

Aug. 23, 2021, 6:36 p.m.
Posts: 1616
Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: RAHrider

Syncro, I don't think I've ever seen a post here with journal references- way to elevate the conversation. I actually didn't need any evidence to be convinced that exercise people like is a good thing. That being said, I know for fact that many of my patients are not getting the exercise they think they are because I do stress tests on them and we talk about their heart health and fitness level. I never tell them to stop ebiking but I encourage them to do some other exercise that will build their conditioning. Many ebike riders on here love cycling and use the motor to cover more ground but still get a great workout. If I assumed all my patients were using their ebikes like the riders on here, I would be misguided. On one occasion I had to convince a person that there was something wrong with their heart, a fact they couldn't understand because they ride their ebike every day. I won't go into details but sufficed to say they had open heart surgery a week later. 

Am I glad people ride ebikes an

Hey RAH, thanks for the added details and further explanation, that definitely changes the gist of what you said previously. It can definitely be a challenge to get people with little to no fitness background to understand or appreciate what level of effort is required when they have been sedentary most of their lives. 

Heeyyyyyyyy RAH, hey RAH....

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