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ebikes on the Shore

July 30, 2019, 6:13 p.m.
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Posted by: shore_flea

Yesterday I was getting set to ride down Dale's/Forever After and guy on e-bike is zooming UP Dale's! WTF, really, REALLY bad idea, dude, even if it was a Monday morning.

Had I started riding down a few minutes earlier....

Considering that some people who promote ebikes routinely post videos of themselves climbing up the descent trails, it is not surprise that this type of assjacketry (technical term) is occurring.

Again it demonstrates that the problem is more in the application and use, rather than the technology itself. Seeing that the ebike promoters have been so quick to compare ebikes to the advent of suspension and disc brakes (and snowboards, and all sorts of other things), it seems appropriate to consider what has come along with the maturation of MTB technology....namely accepting a certain level of restrictions on how they are to be used. For example, there are many places were bikes are explicitly forbidden (i.e. Stump Lake loop between May and September). If one wishes to compare ebikes to other technologies (as so often occurs) then one must naturally invite a consideration of restrictions that are placed upon them. Kiteboarding for example....,look at Hookipa. The addition of a speed-generating sail has required a division between the exclusively paddle-powered wave riders to the east, and the sails to the west.

Seeing that ebike promoters have also likened their technology to snowboards, let's consider that. If a new snowboard was developed with a motor assist that allowed you to ascend the mountain, would it make sense in ANY PLACE to go up the runs that people are descending on skis and non-motorized snowboards? I think that is a fairly acceptable comparison, and I think the answer is obvious.

So, yup, it's likely only a matter of time before we have some sort of collision between an uphill motor-assisted rider and a descender.....ooops wait, I think that something like this may already have happened with a recent event in Squamish where two people on ebikes reportedly smacked into each other on the Mashiter as they were cooking along. Could just as easily have happened to two pedal-powered riders, but with the addition of the motor, there was (without argument) less time to avoid the collision.

Anyways, still waiting for some responsible leadership on this.


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July 30, 2019, 6:34 p.m.
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Posted by: cerealkilla_

Anyways, still waiting for some responsible leadership on this.

That's probably where most people are at - DNV, Metro and DWV need to make a decision and post appropriate signage.

July 30, 2019, 6:53 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: cerealkilla_

Anyways, still waiting for some responsible leadership on this.

That's probably where most people are at - DNV, Metro and DWV need to make a decision and post appropriate signage.

Agreed. Now NSMBA has to step up to the plate and get something happening instead of this wait and see approach. At the very least big no ebikes acending on DH flow trails signage would be a great start.

July 30, 2019, 7:01 p.m.
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Posted by: Brocklanders

Agreed. Now NSMBA has to step up to the plate and get something happening instead of this wait and see approach. At the very least big no ebikes acending on DH flow trails signage would be a great start.

looks outside for the four horsemen as brock and I agree on something ebike related

July 30, 2019, 9:07 p.m.
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Posted by: shore_flea

Yesterday I was getting set to ride down Dale's/Forever After and guy on e-bike is zooming UP Dale's! WTF, really, REALLY bad idea, dude, even if it was a Monday morning.

Had I started riding down  a few minutes earlier....

I wish this stupidity was limited to e-bikes. Riding down Bobsled on Sunday I had to hit the brakes to avoid the people pushing their bikes UP the wood berm.

July 31, 2019, 8 a.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Brocklanders

Agreed. Now NSMBA has to step up to the plate and get something happening instead of this wait and see approach. At the very least big no ebikes acending on DH flow trails signage would be a great start.

looks outside for the four horsemen as brock and I agree on something ebike related

They stopped at my place for a beer last night.

This whole thing is kinda messy. The info I have received recently in regard to the DNV is that they find our whole feeling of entitlement to the trails as a inconvenience, they aren't really interested and could care less. So we better get our house in order. First hand info from convo I had with an unnamed source at the DNV.

July 31, 2019, 8:04 a.m.
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Posted by: cerealkilla_

Anyways, still waiting for some responsible leadership on this.

You'll be waiting a long time. Reps gotta rep. When our local IG superstar 'Check em oot' promotes riding up the Plunge, I guess the shop and companies he reps for think it's perfectly acceptable for him to do this. To be honest if I had an E-bike I'd probably do the same.....but at 8am on a weekday morning and I wouldn't post if all over social media. There were moto rides on Boney Elbows the other morning before the hordes were out, but again they had the sense to do it early and probably weren't trying to sell magnetic bottle cages or whatever.

July 31, 2019, 2:15 p.m.
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Well, one could always write a note of concern to the sponsors and marketing leaders to inform them that their product rep is rubbing a lot of people (and potential customers) the wrong way.

I mean if a person is not willing to have a reasonable conversation about safety and consideration, you can always go farther up the ladder.

July 31, 2019, 2:25 p.m.
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Posted by: trumpstinyhands

Posted by: cerealkilla_

Anyways, still waiting for some responsible leadership on this.

You'll be waiting a long time. Reps gotta rep. When our local IG superstar 'Check em oot' promotes riding up the Plunge, I guess the shop and companies he reps for think it's perfectly acceptable for him to do this. To be honest if I had an E-bike I'd probably do the same.....but at 8am on a weekday morning and I wouldn't post if all over social media. There were moto rides on Boney Elbows the other morning before the hordes were out, but again they had the sense to do it early and probably weren't trying to sell magnetic bottle cages or whatever.

Link?

July 31, 2019, 3:10 p.m.
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https://nsmb.com/forum/forum/the-shore-3/topic/e-bikes-they-work-130756/?page=7

See post from Sept 16 6:49AM

July 31, 2019, 5:16 p.m.
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Posted by: cerealkilla_

Posted by: shore_flea

So, yup, it's likely only a matter of time before we have some sort of collision between an uphill motor-assisted rider and a descender.....ooops wait, I think that something like this may already have happened with a recent event in Squamish where two people on ebikes reportedly smacked into each other on the Mashiter as they were cooking along. Could just as easily have happened to two pedal-powered riders, but with the addition of the motor, there was (without argument) less time to avoid the collision.

extraordinary circumstances in that case and as far as I know only 1 rider was on an ebike. One was riding down the Mashiter with broken bike on his back and head down looking for waterbars and rocks. happened on a blind corner so like you say could have happened to anyone. good thing they were friends and got each other patched up.

Aug. 13, 2019, 2:20 p.m.
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"Agreed. Now NSMBA has to step up to the plate and get something happening instead of this wait and see approach. At the very least big no ebikes acending on DH flow trails signage would be a great start. "

As a general rule, we (the NSMBA) don't control signage. We can (and do) advocate for signage or signage changes, consult on proposed signage, and provide other input for signage on DNV land, but we can't just go print signs and put 'em up.

Aug. 14, 2019, 6:45 a.m.
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Posted by: cooperquinn

"Agreed. Now NSMBA has to step up to the plate and get something happening instead of this wait and see approach. At the very least big no ebikes acending on DH flow trails signage would be a great start. "

As a general rule, we (the NSMBA) don't control signage. We can (and do) advocate for signage or signage changes, consult on proposed signage, and provide other input for signage on DNV land, but we can't just go print signs and put 'em up.

The NSMBA doesn't put up those trail signs? I didn't know that.

Aug. 14, 2019, 7:05 a.m.
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How about installing some directional tire spikes to keep trail traffic flowing in the correct direction?

Aug. 19, 2019, 11:10 a.m.
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Silly Flater Earthers

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