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ebikes on the Shore

July 27, 2019, 12:56 p.m.
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Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: Vikb

Posted by: mtbman99

This is the issue with ebikes how do you stop these guys vs specific categories.

You aren't going to stop them. It's got pedals and so it's good to go.

It’s only legal if it’s pedal assist, so no it’s not ready to go. Go read some of their comments most guys run them no chain or  rear d. Pedals are to make it appear street legal. Those bikes are not legal in most places without proper insurance.

The provincial policy provides an EXPLICIT classification of bikes based on pedal-input and top speed.

The policy also indicates attention to inspections and enforcement as needed, AND for the policy to be revisited after a few years based on how things go .Yes, self-enforcement will still largely be the norm, but that will include peer-enforcement, club-enforcement, and district enforcement who will all take cues from provincial policy.

So yeah. Seems to me that ebike riders will be shooting themselves in the face if they ride over-powered bikes on the trails or cause other problems...especially over the next few years as provincial policy is assessed and reviewed.

It also seems that the best thing to do for those concerned, is pay attention and make note of where and when problems occur. Sure, you could whine and moan, but that won't mean much to the agencies and personnel that actually shape policy.

It will be really interesting to see how well ebikers are able to keep their gratification in check and ride responsibly during this period outlined in the policy. Of course, I'm still not seeing any real positive leadership or advocacy from ebike sellers or product reps about responsible integration.  I asked some personally reasonable questions several times about directional riding and solving insurance issues for land access but have only heard more marketing about getting rad and you have to ride one and so forth.

July 27, 2019, 1:58 p.m.
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Posted by: tashi

As I’ve suggested in previous posts, I want them excluded from mountain bike trails until they advocate for access. Compromise can come out of that process. Exactly like what we had to do to get our official access.

That’s fair, and I’d thought you’d mention it before but wasn’t sure. 

The only thing to ad is who’s to say people on ebikes haven’t done some trail advocacy before or aren’t currently doing some?

July 27, 2019, 2:34 p.m.
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Wish I could give Cereal Killa reps for their last post. 

Companies flogging e-bikes have done a great job of putting e-bikes in the hands of their puppets to spam all over social media. They’ve also done a great job of hooking local builders up with a deal on one.

July 27, 2019, 7:22 p.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

Think of how much a workout one could get if they left their e-bike in “OFF” mode! 🤔

😅

July 27, 2019, 10:30 p.m.
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Of course, I'm still not seeing any real positive leadership or advocacy from ebike sellers or product reps about responsible integration. I asked some personally reasonable questions several times about directional riding and solving insurance issues for land access but have only heard more marketing about getting rad and you have to ride one and so forth.

Indeed. I spoke to a Giant rep at Crankworx last year and he was quite happy to hand off education about rules and responsible access to the bike shops that would be selling these things. The local bike shop has responsibility, but it's the manufacturers who are heavily pushing ebikes and should bare a huge amount of the burden when it comes to the issues they raise, avoiding conflict and responsible access.

July 28, 2019, 10:46 a.m.
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Ahh cute, I'm sure he really cares, doubt it. I wonder how many people brought their bikes back to the shops wanting a refund in Washington state last year? After they said no to ebikes on the best single track trail areas in Issaquah. Buyers in the Seattle area must have been stoked.


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July 29, 2019, 11:02 a.m.
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Posted by: Brocklanders

Ahh cute, I'm sure he really cares, doubt it. I wonder how many people brought their bikes back to the shops wanting a refund in Washington state last year? After they said no to ebikes on the best single track trail areas in Issaquah. Buyers in the Seattle area must have been stoked.

doubt it would stop anyone.

July 29, 2019, 3:53 p.m.
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Posted by: Ddean

My biggest concern is that sensitive trails that are challenging to get to will no longer be protected. In part, thats up to those who use those trails to stay silent about them.

EDIT: And Ive not forgotten that Ive seen a video from Rocky about ebikes filmed in what Id call a very sensitive "protected by a climb" zone. Shame on Rocky for doing that. Exactly my point and biggest worry.

I was in Whistler on Friday and a group of 3 dudes on ebikes came flying up the Blackcomb road. They had already done two laps (Microclimate, Dark Crystal) by 11am and were on their third ride up to hit Dark Crystal again when one's battery died. They went back down to the village to get another battery and keep riding. They were friendly enough, and their POV was they are on holiday with limited time and want to ride everything... so there's an example of a somewhat sensitive trail that is getting punched hard (DC) by heavy bikes for multiple laps that would never happen except by the most fit riders on normal bikes.

July 30, 2019, 11:48 a.m.
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Posted by: grambo
I was in Whistler on Friday and a group of 3 dudes on ebikes came flying up the Blackcomb road. They had already done two laps (Microclimate, Dark Crystal) by 11am and were on their third ride up to hit Dark Crystal again when one's battery died. They went back down to the village to get another battery and keep riding. They were friendly enough, and their POV was they are on holiday with limited time and want to ride everything... so there's an example of a somewhat sensitive trail that is getting punched hard (DC) by heavy bikes for multiple laps that would never happen except by the most fit riders on normal bikes.

perfect example of how these things will change usage patterns and mess up trails that were protected by difficulty to access.  good times in our future. 

i foresee more new trails being built iwith heinous hike a bikes.  that's the direction i would go in, anyways.

July 30, 2019, 11:57 a.m.
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Posted by: oldmanbuilder

Posted by: grambo
I was in Whistler on Friday and a group of 3 dudes on ebikes came flying up the Blackcomb road. They had already done two laps (Microclimate, Dark Crystal) by 11am and were on their third ride up to hit Dark Crystal again when one's battery died. They went back down to the village to get another battery and keep riding. They were friendly enough, and their POV was they are on holiday with limited time and want to ride everything... so there's an example of a somewhat sensitive trail that is getting punched hard (DC) by heavy bikes for multiple laps that would never happen except by the most fit riders on normal bikes.

perfect example of how these things will change usage patterns and mess up trails that were protected by difficulty to access.  good times in our future. 

i foresee more new trails being built iwith heinous hike a bikes.  that's the direction i would go in, anyways.

Except that many ebikes now come with a walk mode that engages the assist to help with walking and pushing. But that wouldn't help with a tricky section you have to clamber over so maybe that's the answer.

July 30, 2019, 12:06 p.m.
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We had one or two ravines to cross on our dank loaner ride this weekend. Tbh it’s probably less effort to muscle an ebike down and up the ravine than pedal a Mtn bike up to the trail head.

I ran flats for the day since I knew I was going be doing the Enduro Walk of Shame 90% of it.

Somewhat related 

Porter was guest on GMBN Podcast. Chats about ebikes a little. It’s a good watch.


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July 30, 2019, 12:44 p.m.
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Posted by: oldmanbuilder

i foresee more new trails being built iwith heinous hike a bikes.  that's the direction i would go in, anyways.

I already know of one trail built like this with ebikes in mind.

July 30, 2019, 2:33 p.m.
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Yesterday I was getting set to ride down Dale's/Forever After and guy on e-bike is zooming UP Dale's! WTF, really, REALLY bad idea, dude, even if it was a Monday morning.

Had I started riding down  a few minutes earlier....

July 30, 2019, 2:57 p.m.
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Nice to see the ebike riders ignoring the DH only signpost. Maybe he should ride up John Deere on a busy Saturday see how that goes.

July 30, 2019, 4:23 p.m.
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Posted by: Brocklanders

Nice to see the ebike riders ignoring the DH only signpost. Maybe he should ride up John Deere on a busy Saturday see how that goes.

But the ebiker riders say there are asshole mountain bikers who do dumb stuff too and that ebikes pose no incremental threat to trail access due to user conflicts! Sad to see but it really feels like the tide has already turned in a lot of BC. Takes a special kind of dumb to pedal up a high speed flow trail. Even with an ebike you'd need enough skill that you should realize why that's dangerous.

Re: Chris Porter, he makes an awesome and blunt point about why he doesn't like ebikes (but loves bicycles and motorcycles).

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