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April 26, 2019, 8:46 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

I like their decision.

Me, too⚡️

April 28, 2019, 11:39 a.m.
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I didn’t see a decision there, just some definitions and signage templates. The linked pdf (paraphrased) says “allowed where appropriate”. Is that different from what’s currently in place?

April 28, 2019, 12:02 p.m.
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Important to note that the FLRORD/RST-BC ebike policy applies nowhere on the Shore.

April 29, 2019, 3:21 p.m.
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Doesn't really change much - just affirms what was already implied. 

It is helpful in that it recognizes the definitions that Govt will go with, and it also identifies the discretion of Rec Offices to place restrictions if there are problem areas. It somewhat slams the door on the use of non-pedal assist bikes on rec trails. This also clearly implies that any Class 2 or Class 3 ebike must have a license plate, just like an ATV or dirt bike. 

Most interesting to me is that Section 12 part about Monitoring and Policy update. I see this as a mostly rational and well-though approach, that will provide opportunities to adjust things if issues arise. I would hope that those that promote ebikes would see this as a good reason to promote responsibility among their users, and advocate against the kind of things that will create problems (i.e. Riding uphill on downhill trails, blasting through high-traffic areas). 

This follows the course of past Ministry work....they really don't want to pass restrictions, they want user groups to figure it out for themselves. If there is a mess, they will wade in and use the discretion identified in the policy, but they would rather see the public work out any wrinkles on their own.

May 2, 2019, 8:19 a.m.
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https://ebike-mtb.com/en?p=44381&preview=1&_ppp=309d46d412&sfns=mo

Another heavy hitter gets E⚡️Lectrified, and he makes some good points🤔

#illjustleavethishere


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May 2, 2019, 8:33 a.m.
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Wow, Richie's ebike promo is quite the fluff piece. No acknowledgement of trail advocacy issues in a contentious place like SoCal.

May 2, 2019, 9:32 a.m.
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Posted by: E-wok

https://ebike-mtb.com/en?p=44381&preview=1&_ppp=309d46d412&sfns=mo

Another heavy hitter gets E⚡️Lectrified, and he makes some good points🤔

#illjustleavethishere

Hey Yub Nub.

Maybe you should just hang out at the emoped site you posted? I could care less what the pros of yesteryear are plugging. It's so transparent it's hilarious. Went on a unamed bike shop ride last week with about a dozen people, not one rider was on one of these things. They all had access to the emoped demos, why is that? #maybebecausetheyarelame?

May 2, 2019, 6:09 p.m.
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Biking pros young & old have been coming forward espousing the virtues of e-bikes. I guess it's a fine line between selling out or pissing off your purist mountain bike fan base or putting bread on the table.


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May 2, 2019, 11:30 p.m.
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Posted by: Stuminator

Biking pros young & old have been coming forward espousing the virtues of e-bikes. I guess it's a fine line between selling out or pissing off your purist mountain bike fan base or putting bread on the table.

Yes, exactly. I remember the comments on a short edit of Ryan Howard and Brandon Semenuk, among others, riding somehwere in California on ebikes, trying some jibbing at an old bridge, sliding and goofing around. Most comments were along the lines of "How can you?"

What most riders forget is ...these riders are professional athletes, they make a living riding for certain brands. It is not that they work from 9-5 in an office downtown and go for a quick spin around the neighbourhood. All these athletes "do not get free bikes for nothing" as Harookz so pointedly said a long time ago in a video.

If a company wants them to ride an ebike, it probably says so in the contract.

It seems that quite a lot of people forget this.

May 3, 2019, 8:49 a.m.
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Posted by: Stuminator

Biking pros young & old have been coming forward espousing the virtues of e-bikes. I guess it's a fine line between selling out or pissing off your purist mountain bike fan base or putting bread on the table.

I'd be quicker to blame the companies for putting riders in this position.


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May 3, 2019, 8:52 a.m.
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I don't think we forget it.   I think that the bike companies have mistakenly assumed that we'd go for their mopeds if they put our "heros" on them; turns out not all of us are into them and they've devalued their brand (company and rider) in the eyes of some by being associated with these things.

I wouldn't be surprised if this changes soon: some companies and riders will sell mopeds alongside bikes, others will remain true to mountain (and road) biking and choose not to.  Their branding will reflect that.

May 3, 2019, 11:16 a.m.
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Posted by: Stuminator

young & old

How young?

I’m going to throw another perspective out here that I’ve been chewing on. Being in a position where I do a lot of riding with kids, it’s hard for me not to view this through their lens. I have an 8-year old that is not super keen to be a hammer on the hills. Of course, seeing grown adults rip by on pedal assist, as we aimlessly wander up the hill has her asking: Dad, do they make pedal assist for kids? I’ll spare you the details of the conversation but basically, she’s legitimately puzzled at the prospect of struggling up the same trails that able-bodied adults are laughing at. Rightfully, I think.

In my whole time in the industry, every new product gets criticised. The front suspension, the rear suspension, the dropper post, the disc brakes, it’s all cheating, cheating, cheating.

Schley’s comments in the above article are unarguably true, but all of the developments that he cites are largely developed to aid with descending. My 8-year-old is certainly enjoying these developments but won’t be aided by pedal assist anytime soon. From the perspective of a kid, that makes it distinctly different than the other “cheating” mechanisms. I know my oldest would really enjoy the full Lord of Squirrels descent, but without putting in some work, it probably won’t happen this year.

Don’t mistake this for e-bike hate. I know people who ride pedal assist bikes and I like riding with them just as much as other riding partners. I’m in the market for a commuter with pedal assist, and I’m not going to reject the prospect of riding an eMTB when the joints say it’s time. Though, IMO, it only seems reasonable that I’d ride one on trails that had been sanctioned for eMTB.

May 3, 2019, 4:56 p.m.
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If I were the "Big S" or "Rocky" or another larger brand trying to play both sides, I would look to pair off the e-moped bike under a sub brand. "Trail Motorcycles" and in small print beside it "a "big-bike-company" brand". That way they can try to delineate the two streams while still keeping some brand recognition...Almost like Santa Cruz/Juliana (same bikes, different cockpit), or Giant/Liv (different frames, same brand).

May 3, 2019, 5 p.m.
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Putting in the work is what it's all about. The idea that you can now buy your way out of putting in the work but still want to claim that it's the same activity really bothers me.

May 3, 2019, 5:53 p.m.
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Add a motor, tear out the soul.

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