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Aug. 28, 2019, 2:32 p.m.
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According to this fresh article, fines in BC Parks can be up to $575. Effective immediately. Wow!

"The policy says that those with Class 1 e-bikes can ride on any B.C. Parks trail where mountain bikes or other cycling is already allowed, but those with Class 2 and 3 e-bikes can only ride on trails and roads designated for motorized vehicles."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734?fbclid=IwAR2Zjw9rk2vujvBn_7aGIKI8y2a4JYPOvcwytVy9S_h7pONMyUm-ag3aw74

Aug. 29, 2019, 9:35 p.m.
Posts: 18
Joined: Dec. 16, 2018

Posted by: abuxton

According to this fresh article, fines in BC Parks can be up to $575. Effective immediately. Wow!

"The policy says that those with Class 1 e-bikes can ride on any B.C. Parks trail where mountain bikes or other cycling is already allowed, but those with Class 2 and 3 e-bikes can only ride on trails and roads designated for motorized vehicles."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734?fbclid=IwAR2Zjw9rk2vujvBn_7aGIKI8y2a4JYPOvcwytVy9S_h7pONMyUm-ag3aw74

Yep, the BC government is basically calling Class-1 Emtbs , BICYCLES.

Aug. 29, 2019, 9:42 p.m.
Posts: 324
Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: E-wok

Posted by: abuxton

According to this fresh article, fines in BC Parks can be up to $575. Effective immediately. Wow!

"The policy says that those with Class 1 e-bikes can ride on any B.C. Parks trail where mountain bikes or other cycling is already allowed, but those with Class 2 and 3 e-bikes can only ride on trails and roads designated for motorized vehicles."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734?fbclid=IwAR2Zjw9rk2vujvBn_7aGIKI8y2a4JYPOvcwytVy9S_h7pONMyUm-ag3aw74

Yep, the BC government is basically calling Class-1 Emtbs , BICYCLES.

nope, what they're saying is they can use the same trails as bicycles. that not the same as what you suggest.

Aug. 30, 2019, 6:44 a.m.
Posts: 18
Joined: Dec. 16, 2018

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: E-wok

Posted by: abuxton

According to this fresh article, fines in BC Parks can be up to $575. Effective immediately. Wow!

"The policy says that those with Class 1 e-bikes can ride on any B.C. Parks trail where mountain bikes or other cycling is already allowed, but those with Class 2 and 3 e-bikes can only ride on trails and roads designated for motorized vehicles."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734?fbclid=IwAR2Zjw9rk2vujvBn_7aGIKI8y2a4JYPOvcwytVy9S_h7pONMyUm-ag3aw74

Yep, the BC government is basically calling Class-1 Emtbs , BICYCLES.

nope, what they're saying is they can use the same trails as bicycles. that not the same as what you suggest.

....and da Nile , isn’t just a river ;)

At this point, the most useful  thing to do , is to place rouge directional signs , at the bottom of the trails you think might be problematic . Then, sit back and embrace the change, and perhaps pick a more important battle if you must . ✌🏽


 Last edited by: E-wok on Aug. 30, 2019, 12:27 p.m., edited 2 times in total.
Aug. 30, 2019, 2:59 p.m.
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https://www.pinkbike.com/news/us-secretary-of-the-interior-opens-national-park-trails-to-e-bikes.html

Cat amongst the pigeons...

The US Feds are proposing allowing e-bikes on National Park and BLM trails open to "regular" mountain bikes...

Aug. 30, 2019, 7:13 p.m.
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Joined: Nov. 6, 2006

Posted by: SixZeroSixOne

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/us-secretary-of-the-interior-opens-national-park-trails-to-e-bikes.html

Cat amongst the pigeons...

The US Feds are proposing allowing e-bikes on National Park and BLM trails open to "regular" mountain bikes...

Proposing?

Aug. 30, 2019, 7:46 p.m.
Posts: 324
Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: E-wok

....and da Nile , isn’t just a river ;)

At this point, the most useful  thing to do , is to place rouge directional signs , at the bottom of the trails you think might be problematic . Then, sit back and embrace the change, and perhaps pick a more important battle if you must . ✌🏽

It seems like you haven't been following very closely as I'm not necessarily opposed to ebikes, but I do think there needs to be some clear rules around their use. What am I opposed to however is bullshit arguments being used to prop up one's stance on ebikes - whatever side of the table they happen to come from.

Aug. 30, 2019, 8:42 p.m.
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Joined: Nov. 19, 2002

And BC government is only legislating for their land.

Aug. 31, 2019, 8:10 a.m.
Posts: 1372
Joined: April 25, 2003

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: E-wok

Posted by: abuxton

According to this fresh article, fines in BC Parks can be up to $575. Effective immediately. Wow!

"The policy says that those with Class 1 e-bikes can ride on any B.C. Parks trail where mountain bikes or other cycling is already allowed, but those with Class 2 and 3 e-bikes can only ride on trails and roads designated for motorized vehicles."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734?fbclid=IwAR2Zjw9rk2vujvBn_7aGIKI8y2a4JYPOvcwytVy9S_h7pONMyUm-ag3aw74

Yep, the BC government is basically calling Class-1 Emtbs , BICYCLES.

nope, what they're saying is they can use the same trails as bicycles. that not the same as what you suggest.

A distinction without a difference.

Aug. 31, 2019, 9:19 a.m.
Posts: 18
Joined: Dec. 16, 2018

Posted by: SixZeroSixOne

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/us-secretary-of-the-interior-opens-national-park-trails-to-e-bikes.html

Cat amongst the pigeons...

The US Feds are proposing allowing e-bikes on National Park and BLM trails open to "regular" mountain bikes...

Team America -fuck, yeah!

Aug. 31, 2019, 10:32 a.m.
Posts: 18
Joined: Dec. 16, 2018

Posted by: E-wok

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: E-wok

Posted by: abuxton

According to this fresh article, fines in BC Parks can be up to $575. Effective immediately. Wow!

"The policy says that those with Class 1 e-bikes can ride on any B.C. Parks trail where mountain bikes or other cycling is already allowed, but those with Class 2 and 3 e-bikes can only ride on trails and roads designated for motorized vehicles."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-parks-ebike-policy-1.5262734?fbclid=IwAR2Zjw9rk2vujvBn_7aGIKI8y2a4JYPOvcwytVy9S_h7pONMyUm-ag3aw74

Yep, the BC government is basically calling Class-1 Emtbs , BICYCLES.

nope, what they're saying is they can use the same trails as bicycles. that not the same as what you suggest.

....and da Nile , isn’t just a river ;)

At this point, the most useful thing to do , is to place rouge directional signs , at the bottom of the trails you think might be problematic . Then, sit back and embrace the change, and perhaps pick a more important battle if you must . ✌🏽

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: E-wok

....and da Nile , isn’t just a river ;)

At this point, the most useful thing to do , is to place rouge directional signs , at the bottom of the trails you think might be problematic . Then, sit back and embrace the change, and perhaps pick a more important battle if you must . ✌🏽

It seems like you haven't been following very closely as I'm not necessarily opposed to ebikes, but I do think there needs to be some clear rules around their use. What am I opposed to however is bullshit arguments being used to prop up one's stance on ebikes - whatever side of the table they happen to come from.

I have been , periodically , following this thread.

And as the tide is rapidly changing towards the acceptance of Emtbs here in Canada ( we’ve been behind the curve compared Europe the UK , and now The States), I’m noticing the conversation is becoming more Palatable as the irrational hatred, (MOSTLY based on loss of personal identity) , is subsiding.

It would be great to wrap up this discussion in a sensible manner , so we could all just continue to enjoy riding our bicycles.

So, as a brief recap of this verbose thread-what clear rules ( with the exception of directional trail signage ) would you, Syncro want to have implement on Class -1 eMtbs, that don’t already exist for acoustic bikes?


 Last edited by: E-wok on Aug. 31, 2019, 10:32 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Aug. 31, 2019, 11:28 a.m.
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Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: E-wok

So, as a brief recap of this verbose thread-what clear rules ( with the exception of directional trail signage ) would you, Syncro want to have implement on Class -1 eMtbs, that don’t already exist for acoustic bikes?

i've stated those ideas a few times in this thread. hate the term acoustic bikes btw, it's just stupid. trail signage, trail limitations for climbing, etiquette regarding passing. i'd also like to see a mandatory trail license or pass for all bikes (with the option to commit to say 3 days of volunteer labour to get a pass). enforcement could be a combo of live persons and rfid tags and trail counters. the biggest issue really comes down to the attitude of the rider, which can be a difficult isssue to deal with.

the bike companies also need to get on board as their current marketing is not doing a heck of a lot to allay the concerns a lot of people have. they also need to step up more in regards to trail maintenance and advocacy efforts as bike co's profit off the backs of volunteer labour.

Aug. 31, 2019, 11:50 a.m.
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Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

and ewok, save the "wrap up discussion in  a sensible manner" crap. your posts so far have haven't exactly been free of any back talk. you sound like a plant or shill for the marketing arm of an ebike co trying to sneakily sway opinion; it's disingenuous and stinks.

Aug. 31, 2019, 12:13 p.m.
Posts: 18
Joined: Dec. 16, 2018

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: E-wok

So, as a brief recap of this verbose thread-what clear rules ( with the exception of directional trail signage ) would you, Syncro want to have implement on Class -1 eMtbs, that don’t already exist for acoustic bikes?

i've stated those ideas a few times in this thread. hate the term acoustic bikes btw, it's just stupid. trail signage, trail limitations for climbing, etiquette regarding passing. i'd also like to see a mandatory trail license or pass for all bikes (with the option to commit to say 3 days of volunteer labour to get a pass). enforcement could be a combo of live persons and rfid tags and trail counters. the biggest issue really comes down to the attitude of the rider, which can be a difficult isssue to deal with.

the bike companies also need to get on board as their current marketing is not doing a heck of a lot to allay the concerns a lot of people have. they also need to step up more in regards to trail maintenance and advocacy efforts as bike co's profit off the backs of volunteer labour.

“Stupid” is an opinion-sorry you’re  offended, it seems like a nice reference to me😁

I agree with the Directional trail signage - all the rest sounds a bit assuming. ( many Ebikers , formally acoustic riders- or still both , have contributed and continue to donate their time and money to local trails).

Again, Once you’ve spent a decent amount of time on a Ebike , you’ll realize the only exception is for informative, directional signage - and that the etiquette is the exactly the SAME for both an E and acoustic bikes. Super simple. 

A trail pass and licence for ALL bikes- yikes, I’m not touching that one!

Attitude has to do with the person on the bike- not what kinda bike they’re on.

As far as the bike companies being on board-did they do all of what you are suggesting for them to do now  , as when the DH  RM -7’s came out? 

They made profits then, and now. Same-same.

Aug. 31, 2019, 12:30 p.m.
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Joined: Dec. 16, 2018

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: E-wok

So, as a brief recap of this verbose thread-what clear rules ( with the exception of directional trail signage ) would you, Syncro want to have implement on Class -1 eMtbs, that don’t already exist for acoustic bikes?

i've stated those ideas a few times in this thread. hate the term acoustic bikes btw, it's just stupid. trail signage, trail limitations for climbing, etiquette regarding passing. i'd also like to see a mandatory trail license or pass for all bikes (with the option to commit to say 3 days of volunteer labour to get a pass). enforcement could be a combo of live persons and rfid tags and trail counters. the biggest issue really comes down to the attitude of the rider, which can be a difficult isssue to deal with.

the bike companies also need to get on board as their current marketing is not doing a heck of a lot to allay the concerns a lot of people have. they also need to step up more in regards to trail maintenance and advocacy efforts as bike co's profit off the backs of volunteer labour.

“Stupid” is an opinion-sorry you’re offended, it seems like a nice reference to me😁 , and that’s how a refer to my 3 other vintage bikes.

I agree with the Directional trail signage - all the rest sounds a bit assuming. ( many Ebikers , formally acoustic riders- or still both , have contributed and continue to donate their time and money to local trails).

Again, Once you’ve spent a decent amount of time on a Ebike , you’ll realize the only exception is for informative, directional signage - and that the etiquette is the exactly the SAME for both an E and acoustic bikes. Super simple.

A trail pass and licence for ALL bikes- yikes, I’m not touching that one!

Attitude has to do with the person on the bike- not what kinda bike they’re on.

As far as the bike companies being on board-did they do all of what you are suggesting for them to do now , as when the DH RM -7’s came out?

They made profits then, and now. Same-same.

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