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ebikes on the Shore

June 19, 2019, 7:51 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

Ups and downs. 

Yes, if that’s what they want and that’s the rule that they get in place, sure.

Ok that’s fair. For the ups tho, what about using something like the road up Fromme or say Old Buck on Seymour but no to things like the No Quarter climb or Penny Lane and GSM?

June 19, 2019, 8:06 a.m.
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Jesus man, you complicate things. 

Are motorized vehicles allowed currently?  Yes?  Thumbs up to mopeds. No?  Thumbs down.

June 19, 2019, 8:10 a.m.
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Maybe I don’t see it as such a simple or black/white issue as you. I’ll guess other people don’t either. FWIW people who refuse any sort of compromise often tend to end up disappointed.

June 19, 2019, 9:07 a.m.
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Thanks for the life lesson.

Please stick to the issues.

Re-read my posts and you’ll see that I fully expect to have to compromise. I just want them to have to fight for their own trails, separate from the multi-use, non-motorized trails that make up most of the official mountain biking around urban areas.

edit:  A quick re-read and it seems that i went off track first with my "you complicate things" comment.  My bad.


 Last edited by: tashi on June 19, 2019, 9:18 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
June 19, 2019, 9:22 a.m.
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Well I’m trying to get a sense of what people are willing to compromise on. Personally I think allowing use on access routes like Old Buck and Mtn Hwy but not climbing single track routes is a good place to start.

June 21, 2019, 12:15 p.m.
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2000 Watts? I guess they're one upping each other already?

https://electrek-co.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/electrek.co/2019/06/21/luna-ludicruous-2000-watt-x-1-fs-enduro-electric-bike/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Felectrek.co%2F2019%2F06%2F21%2Fluna-ludicruous-2000-watt-x-1-fs-enduro-electric-bike%2F

June 21, 2019, 7:56 p.m.
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From that review:

“The one other thing I’d like to see on this bike is a hand throttle for the 2,000 W model. At that point, you’d basically have a light electric dirt bike.”

But no, these things will stay in their tidy regulated categories, no one is going to want to hack them. 

Everything will be fine.

June 22, 2019, 11:22 a.m.
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Self policing via the ebike crowd will work out. Look how it works in every other situation.

June 24, 2019, 12:58 p.m.
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Posted by: tashi

From that review:

“The one other thing I’d like to see on this bike is a hand throttle for the 2,000 W model. At that point, you’d basically have a light electric dirt bike.”

But no, these things will stay in their tidy regulated categories, no one is going to want to hack them. 

Everything will be fine.

But think about how much FUN it would be. You just haven't tried one yet!

June 24, 2019, 7:58 p.m.
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Saw some guy riding his emoped up to dales the other day. He went up the same speed he went down and there was a rooster tail behind him all the way up! oh no, these things don't tear up trails. It had to be at least 70lbs. I hope Mountain bikers smarten up and call a spade a spade. Emopeds are not bikes and should be categorized as motorized vehicles. They should not have unbridled access to all our hard earned mountain bike networks.

June 24, 2019, 10:22 p.m.
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Add e-bikes to these....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=lzLYpH_ZI80

Mountain bikers are viewed more favorably than say motorized recreationists, though with the growing popularity and speed of electric mountain bikes that distinction may soon be reduced.

No shit, eh?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/24/how-mountain-bikes-threaten-wilderness/

“New mountain bike [trail] construction will likely result in permanent habitat fragmentation. Habitat fragmentation impedes the movement of wildlife across landscapes. Looped trails may create islands of habitat that may be avoided entirely by wildlife.”


 Last edited by: tungsten on June 24, 2019, 11:29 p.m., edited 2 times in total.
June 25, 2019, 10:27 a.m.
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Posted by: RAHrider

Saw some guy riding his emoped up to dales the other day. He went up the same speed he went down and there was a rooster tail behind him all the way up! oh no, these things don't tear up trails. It had to be at least 70lbs. I hope Mountain bikers smarten up and call a spade a spade. Emopeds are not bikes and should be categorized as motorized vehicles. They should not have unbridled access to all our hard earned mountain bike networks.

But but... that's not a class 1 ebike! They will be regulated by the government so you'll never see modded/throttle emopeds on mountain bike trails! This is just alarmism and besides have you tried one? They are FUN!

Kinda funny how pre-ebike you never really saw dirtbikes abusing non-motorized trails on the shore (besides the odd kid on Mountain Highway) and yet here we are.

June 25, 2019, 2:21 p.m.
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I got into mountain biking as a form of freedom.  The feeling of joy I get hiking or biking to a destination under my own power. I like to earn my view at the top of the mountain. Still this is my personal experience of what gives me joy. 

From the humble beginnings in California this was the goal. To get to the top of a mountain using your own power. The only sound you hear is nature and perhaps your own heavy breathing.  

Mountain biking evolved into something  different. A money hungry monster.

June 25, 2019, 7:07 p.m.
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Posted by: Shoreloamer

Mountain biking evolved into something  different. A money hungry monster.

yep

July 11, 2019, 1:01 p.m.
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Cooter punch link 😂

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/mobility/article-whats-the-point-of-e-bikes/

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