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ebikes on the Shore

June 12, 2019, 12:35 p.m.
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Unicycles are ok, but not Ebikes.

June 12, 2019, 8:16 p.m.
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Posted by: D-man

Posted by: Brocklanders

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Sethimus

if you all bitch about ebikes already, what are you gonna do when these things pop up on the shore?

https://electrek.co/2019/06/04/special-edition-sur-ron-electric-bike/

if it's not pedal assist but throttle control then it can fuck off from the trails. despite what the video claims - that's a motorcycle.

And so we circle back to once again, who is going to regulate which electric bikes are permitted? Yes.. I know they classified into different classes, but you think anyone is going to give a shit? This is why COTA, BLM, and other Assns in the States have said piss off to all. Self regulation won't work, its so obvious. But Ya doesn't that bike look like fun? You can buy a pedal upgrade too, makes it a bike right?

https://lunacycle.com/sur-ron-pedal-system/

love this thread

Same could be said then for riders shredding down climbing trails, skidding through corners, giving right of way to climbers....

Self regulating does work but keep looking for reasons to hate.

This comment wins first prize for " Whataboutism "

I have been riding pretty much every day for the last few weeks in the Howe sound Corridor being on work hiatus. Only seen a few emtbmopeds here and there, very few...I don't hate them, I just know that a large percentage of the population is lazy and the line between bicycle and motorsport is being smeared pretty bad. You wanna ride an electric bike, go for it. The ebikers have their reasons/excuses why the ride one, that's ok.... I'm really looking forward to how over the next few years the full on motorbike is going to evolve out of the pretend electric mtbs. I have seen them at the bike shows, and this is only the beginning of a major issue for trail access when these things show up. I personally will do nothing, except watch it unfold and feel bad for those who volly their time in the trail assns having to deal with the headache. I for one don't wanna have to self regulate which motorbikes are allowed and those who are not. What a shit way to spoil a good day on the trails telling someone they cant ride there because their bike a is throttle powered pretend mountainbike. Maybe we should ask the etmb riders to wear a "self regulator badge" and they can deal with it. Gunna stand at the gate of into the Mystic in shifts and stop ebikes from riding up? I doubt it.

-Brocklanders the Hater


 Last edited by: Brocklanders on June 12, 2019, 8:50 p.m., edited 2 times in total.
June 13, 2019, 4:27 a.m.
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Posted by: Brocklanders

Posted by: D-man

Posted by: Brocklanders

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Sethimus

if you all bitch about ebikes already, what are you gonna do when these things pop up on the shore?

https://electrek.co/2019/06/04/special-edition-sur-ron-electric-bike/

if it's not pedal assist but throttle control then it can fuck off from the trails. despite what the video claims - that's a motorcycle.

And so we circle back to once again, who is going to regulate which electric bikes are permitted? Yes.. I know they classified into different classes, but you think anyone is going to give a shit? This is why COTA, BLM, and other Assns in the States have said piss off to all. Self regulation won't work, its so obvious. But Ya doesn't that bike look like fun? You can buy a pedal upgrade too, makes it a bike right?

https://lunacycle.com/sur-ron-pedal-system/

love this thread

Same could be said then for riders shredding down climbing trails, skidding through corners, giving right of way to climbers....

Self regulating does work but keep looking for reasons to hate.

This comment wins first prize for " Whataboutism "

I have been riding pretty much every day for the last few weeks in the Howe sound Corridor being on work hiatus. Only seen a few emtbmopeds here and there, very few...I don't hate them, I just know that a large percentage of the population is lazy and the line between bicycle and motorsport is being smeared pretty bad. You wanna ride an electric bike, go for it. The ebikers have their reasons/excuses why the ride one, that's ok.... I'm really looking forward to how over the next few years the full on motorbike is going to evolve out of the pretend electric mtbs. I have seen them at the bike shows, and this is only the beginning of a major issue for trail access when these things show up. I personally will do nothing, except watch it unfold and feel bad for those who volly their time in the trail assns having to deal with the headache. I for one don't wanna have to self regulate which motorbikes are allowed and those who are not. What a shit way to spoil a good day on the trails telling someone they cant ride there because their bike a is throttle powered pretend mountainbike. Maybe we should ask the etmb riders to wear a "self regulator badge" and they can deal with it. Gunna stand at the gate of into the Mystic in shifts and stop ebikes from riding up? I doubt it.

-Brocklanders the Hater

Yawn...

June 13, 2019, 12:01 p.m.
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Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: BeesIntheTrap

That's such a shit attitude. If someone goes and spends their time and effort building a trail and says no ebikes or dont ride in the rain or whatever, we as riders should respect that.

So no unicycles either right?

Yawn.... 

Maybe try answering why it's not a selfish "me, me, me" attitude?

June 13, 2019, 6:16 p.m.
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Blah blah blah... it’s the same pointless dribble. Some of you need to get over yourselves. It’s just bikes for fuck sakes.


 Last edited by: FLATCH on June 13, 2019, 6:19 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
June 13, 2019, 6:26 p.m.
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Posted by: FLATCH

Blah blah blah... it’s the same pointless dribble. Some of you need to get over yourselves. It’s just bikes for fuck sakes.

Yawn.

June 13, 2019, 7:05 p.m.
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The reality is when someone builds a trail people are going to use it. If that is offensive then don’t build trail, would that be a loss, sure.

I know a few long term builders in the valley, and they flat out don’t give a shit about e bikes. This whole topic is soooo over blown! 

See you on trails.

June 13, 2019, 8:14 p.m.
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I wonder which poster matches which person in this pic...

June 14, 2019, 8:46 a.m.
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Posted by: FLATCH

Blah blah blah... it’s the same pointless dribble. Some of you need to get over yourselves. It’s just bikes for fuck sakes.

Shortsighted. Look at how technology advances and how these industries need to constantly one up themselves to maintain sales year after year. 

In a few years they will be faster, lighter, more powerful, etc etc. They'll literally be motorbikes. With pedal bikes there's a cap on user levels and speed levels based on human capacity. It self regulates to a certain degree as technology can only only go so far I  overcoming the wattage output limits of human beings. 

With ebikes the only cap is technology. if ebikes are not a motorbike loophole currently, it's pretty tough to imagine they won't be in the future. It's the nature of capitalism and "progress" that makes this inevitable. That'scary.

June 14, 2019, 6:33 p.m.
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Don’t forget autonomous.

June 14, 2019, 7:08 p.m.
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And as usual, there's no rebuttal. /thread.


 Last edited by: BeesIntheTrap on June 14, 2019, 7:08 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
June 17, 2019, 6:40 a.m.
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Posted by: Kenny
With ebikes the only cap is technology. if ebikes are not a motorbike loophole currently, it's pretty tough to imagine they won't be in the future. It's the nature of capitalism and "progress" that makes this inevitable. That'scary.

Yes. That's the problem. We would never have been okay with gas motorcycles on MTB/hiking trails, but because there is an electric motor and a lower powered stock configuration as "get the foot in the door" product it now makes sense to mix motors and human powered recreation like that? The process of getting faster/more powerful e-motos on these trails is inevitable.

If riders/MTB companies don't care and think that's a good idea we can agree to disagree, but please don't come back in 5-10 years and act like they couldn't see this coming.


 Last edited by: Vikb on June 17, 2019, 6:40 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
June 17, 2019, 12:46 p.m.
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glad to see some people are thinking long-term.  we're still in such early days with adoption and technology that drawing any inferences about future issues from the current-day conditions is quite misguided.

combine the e-bike trend with the general trends of more sanitized trails and it's hard not to conclude that the sport is going to change significantly.  sure there will still be gnarly trails around that aren't swamped with people, but these will continue to get fewer and fewer, as they're pushed even further out in to the boonies.

i for one am not looking forward to the crowds and further sanitization of trails.

June 17, 2019, 5:26 p.m.
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Posted by: Kenny

Shortsighted. Look at how technology advances and how these industries need to constantly one up themselves to maintain sales year after year.

In a few years they will be faster, lighter, more powerful, etc etc. They'll literally be motorbikes. With pedal bikes there's a cap on user levels and speed levels based on human capacity. It self regulates to a certain degree as technology can only only go so far I overcoming the wattage output limits of human beings.

With ebikes the only cap is technology. if ebikes are not a motorbike loophole currently, it's pretty tough to imagine they won't be in the future. It's the nature of capitalism and "progress" that makes this inevitable. That'scary.

I think you and some others are starting to get carried away a bit here. They might get lighter, but not faster or more powerful as per regs that are already set out. They won't literally be motorbikes. The beautiful thing is that we live in a democracy, and if ebikes and their progression are a huge concern there is a way for people to influence what's allowed and what isn't. You can write letters to city/district councils, you can attend council meetings, you can support councilors who have the same concerns and you can vote for those people as well. But don't forget, people who are all for ebikes can do the same things. At the end of the day the user group with the loudest voice typically gets support. Don't want ebikes on the trails? Then form some sort of advocacy group that supports keeping the trails for pedal bikes only or having ebikes restricted in a manner that keeps you happy.


 Last edited by: syncro on June 17, 2019, 5:28 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
June 17, 2019, 9:58 p.m.
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If it was as simple as two user groups trying to figure out how to get along, majority wins, I'd agree. Sorry though sync, from what I've seen the loudest ebike advocates are individuals that are financially incentivized to act as such, so there is not the level of parity between user groups that your post seems to imply. There is too much money involved to be able to reduce the solution to "oh you should just advocate and if you're in the majority you'll get your way".

Call it paranoid or carried away to think that CEO's and MBAs are not frothing at the mouth to lobby for continuous "progress" in legislation, as these machine creep past the $14k mark and potential revenue stream skyrockets, or that this stacks the deck well against Joe trail user, but I believe it's naive to think otherwise. Maybe I need to put down the tinfoil hat, but I don't think so...

Note that none of that is to say we should not be advocating and being proactive in our communities and the decisions that get made, that needs to happen regardless, on the contrary, this post and my post prior are meant to reinforce the fact that it needs to happen moreso.


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