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E-bike rangers patrolling Seymour

July 25, 2019, 5:03 p.m.
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Posted by: earleb

Ain't nobody going to stop riding the Darkside unless the same trail experience is provided legally.

This.

July 25, 2019, 10:32 p.m.
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Tonight there's police with assault weapons checking out the hiking trails on Seymour...

July 26, 2019, 6:17 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

Tonight there's police with assault weapons checking out the hiking trails on Seymour...

Police with assault weapons on hover boards.

July 26, 2019, 10:58 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

Tonight there's police with assault weapons checking out the hiking trails on Seymour...

There actually was a lot of armed cops on the darkside last night. Reports of a dude with a gun. Turned out to be a pellet gun according to the face-space...

July 27, 2019, 10:15 p.m.
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Posted by: earleb

Posted by: skooks

Well that's one opinion. I dont think people will stop riding loamers, despite signs or fines.

Ain't nobody going to stop riding the Darkside unless the same trail experience is provided legally.

How does one provide the same trail experience legally though? The whole issue with 'loamers' is that they can't handle the traffic. As soon as someone scrapes one out in Squamish, within a month half the community finds out about it and it's fucked. Even 'semi-loamers'  like the 'new' Ditchpig is a wide rutted mess compared to a year or so ago. Still quite fun but not exactly a benchmark for sustainable trail building. I don't agree with armouring the crap out of all trails, but point a dirt trail straight down a mountain legally and expect it to last is a tough ask. 7th and Angry Small Person are good compromises but I guess they're not cool enough for the open lid and googles crew :)

July 28, 2019, 2:21 a.m.
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So riding off-trail is good, but pedal assisted bikes on sanctioned trails is bad.  Nice logic.

July 28, 2019, 8:02 a.m.
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I think trumpstinyhands is saying both are bad

July 28, 2019, 12:26 p.m.
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just in case anyone is curious about trail regs for crown (provincial) land here are the deets. be aware that BC Parks has a different set of rules and Seymour is a no-go for bike trails, hence the patrollers.

July 29, 2019, 10:58 a.m.
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Posted by: trumpstinyhands

Posted by: earleb

Posted by: skooks

Well that's one opinion. I dont think people will stop riding loamers, despite signs or fines.

Ain't nobody going to stop riding the Darkside unless the same trail experience is provided legally.

How does one provide the same trail experience legally though? The whole issue with 'loamers' is that they can't handle the traffic. As soon as someone scrapes one out in Squamish, within a month half the community finds out about it and it's fucked. Even 'semi-loamers' like the 'new' Ditchpig is a wide rutted mess compared to a year or so ago. Still quite fun but not exactly a benchmark for sustainable trail building. I don't agree with armouring the crap out of all trails, but point a dirt trail straight down a mountain legally and expect it to last is a tough ask. 7th and Angry Small Person are good compromises but I guess they're not cool enough for the open lid and googles crew :)

"Loamers" can be made sustainable. It just requires maintenance and proper alignment so that requires effort which is severely lacking with most rogue builders and riders. If you ride the trails, at least try to maintain them to a certain extent.  It's really not that hard.

#nodignoride


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July 29, 2019, 11:05 a.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome

"Loamers" can be made sustainable. It just requires maintenance and proper alignment so that requires effort which is severely lacking with most rogue builders and riders. If you ride the trails, at least try to maintain them to a certain extent.  It's really not that hard.

Some of the trails on Vedder are a good example of this.

July 29, 2019, 5:55 p.m.
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It's the proper alignment that's the problem. People want 'em steep and deep braaah ;) Most UK trails are 'loam' but it's not such an issue as people generally don't just lazily point the trail straight down the hill.

July 29, 2019, 6:12 p.m.
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Posted by: trumpstinyhands

It's the proper alignment that's the problem. People want 'em steep and deep braaah ;) Most UK trails are 'loam' but it's not such an issue as people generally don't just lazily point the trail straight down the hill.

it's not so much a question of lazy but that people like step techgnar. a sustainable "loamer" is going to be a low pitch trail that is not very techy -  green or blue vs black. besides, traffic and rain are the number one considerations and any trail that gets a decent amount of traffic is going to get worn down to dirt and lose it's "loam" card. sustainable "loamers" are trails that are low pitch and don't get ridden a lot.

July 29, 2019, 10:31 p.m.
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Short sections of steep and know where the water goes or know how to divert the water. Sustained steep is just bad building in a rain forest.

July 29, 2019, 11:41 p.m.
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Depends on the terrain and trail bed

July 30, 2019, 11:47 a.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Depends on the terrain and trail bed

sustained steeps just creates troughs....  unless you are on granite rocks.

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