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July 31, 2024, 7:04 p.m.
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Posted by: silverbansheebike

Posted by: syncro

There are more than enough sanctioned trails in need of trailbuilders...

A lot easier said than done (believe me, I am trying!), there isn't exactly an application or recruitment process through the organization. Onto maintaining unsanctioned trails for me for the time being.

Yes there is. Where is your organization?  The key is your perseverance to keep helping out and learning.   

https://www.sorca.ca

https://nsmba.ca/volunteer/

https://www.worca.com/volunteer

https://www.fvmba.com/volunteer/


 Last edited by: heckler on July 31, 2024, 7:10 p.m., edited 4 times in total.
July 31, 2024, 7:29 p.m.
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Posted by: heckler

Posted by: silverbansheebike

Posted by: syncro

There are more than enough sanctioned trails in need of trailbuilders...

A lot easier said than done (believe me, I am trying!), there isn't exactly an application or recruitment process through the organization. Onto maintaining unsanctioned trails for me for the time being.

Yes there is. Where is your organization? The key is your perseverance to keep helping out and learning.

https://www.sorca.ca

https://nsmba.ca/volunteer/

https://www.worca.com/volunteer

https://www.fvmba.com/volunteer/

In need of trailbuilders was the original comment, not volunteers. Already a very dedicated volunteer, I am looking for more than that. Taking on trails and leading said volunteer days. As Syncro said there's enough sanctioned trails that need a builder, and I agree, but there isn't exactly a call for that. I'd imagine it comes down to budget to pay builders and the already short numbers of volunteers. So as I said, easier said than done.


 Last edited by: silverbansheebike on July 31, 2024, 7:36 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Aug. 1, 2024, 3:31 a.m.
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Those links lead to much more than “come volunteer at a trailday”. I am sure your local trail org is looking for dedicated volunteers to lead trail-days or take on your own trail once said dedication and perseverance is demonstrated.  Pipeline is a great example, as are the guys working the DH trails on Cypress. 

More detail here, although you didn't answer my question.  This list has grown into a great crew over the past fifteen years!

https://nsmba.ca/nsmba-builders/

Aug. 1, 2024, 6:22 a.m.
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Posted by: heckler

I said look at the dates. May 2023 was freshly reestablished. Please get off your “phone” and go take us a “today” picture in the same spot - if you can find it.

I missed the dates, but have a good idea of where that is. If I'm ever down that way I'll go snap a pic for ya. 

In terms of regeneration, think mycelium networks too.

Aug. 1, 2024, 11:53 a.m.
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Posted by: heckler

Those links lead to much more than “come volunteer at a trailday”. I am sure your local trail org is looking for dedicated volunteers to lead trail-days or take on your own trail once said dedication and perseverance is demonstrated.  Pipeline is a great example, as are the guys working the DH trails on Cypress. 

More detail here, although you didn't answer my question.  This list has grown into a great crew over the past fifteen years!

https://nsmba.ca/nsmba-builders/

That list is pretty out of date. 

To silverbanshees point, the NSMBA is reasonably good at getting volunteers to come out to trail days but falls short when it comes to retaining those repeat volunteers and transitioning them to TAP leaders. There is a draft builder onboarding process in the works, but there is no timeline on its implementation. 

If there are sanctioned trails that need a builder, nobody is asking for people to fill those roles. IMO all the popular trails have builders assigned already. New builders can be added to the permit, but they are often looking to make their own contributions on different trails and want their own trail to work on. Ideally, more unsanctioned trails become sanctioned and space is created for those new, motivated builders. 

Funding is another issue entirely. I think builders on the shore build and maintain trails regardless of any stipend provided, but some appreciate a little extra cash.

Aug. 1, 2024, 12:12 p.m.
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Posted by: Kever

That list is pretty out of date.

To silverbanshees point, the NSMBA is reasonably good at getting volunteers to come out to trail days but falls short when it comes to retaining those repeat volunteers and transitioning them to TAP leaders. There is a draft builder onboarding process in the works, but there is no timeline on its implementation.

If there are sanctioned trails that need a builder, nobody is asking for people to fill those roles.

Which is why I consistently say its up to the motivated volunteers (like the Kevin’s who are not shown on the 2020 website list) to keep showing up, keep helping out and get noticed. All organizations are volunteer efforts, with only a few staff to update website lists, etc. Very few established builders are actively searching for help, but I think most of them will graciously accept it from consistently eager individuals.

The transition to leadership clearly is happening based on the incomplete list. In 2007, I could count on two hands the leaders willing to come lead a trailday or two.

I don’t mention funding at all, because at one point every trail was maintained by volunteers.


 Last edited by: heckler on Aug. 1, 2024, 12:15 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Aug. 1, 2024, 5:37 p.m.
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Posted by: Kever

Not sure I understand the contradiction. I buy a membership year after year because I believe the organization is important. Doesn't mean I always ride the shore or ride sanctioned trails.

So you support them to look good or feel good about yourself but then ride trails that could potentially undermine all the work your support has been funding.  Contradiction in terms.

Aug. 1, 2024, 5:48 p.m.
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🤣😘

Aug. 2, 2024, 6:06 a.m.
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Posted by: Polymath

So you support them to look good or feel good about yourself but then ride trails that could potentially undermine all the work your support has been funding.  Contradiction in terms.

That's quite the leap.

Aug. 2, 2024, 6:36 a.m.
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Don’t know why, but I’m starting to recall the aging rider who once loudly berated me for working on Pangor near the big boulder and the “horrible work” which “ruined”Boogieman.  

I ignored him too, but the five other riders not in his group were incredulous at his disgusting “me, me, me “attitude. 

Have a nice day!

Aug. 2, 2024, 9:35 a.m.
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I always wondered who ruined Boogieman.

Aug. 2, 2024, 11:02 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

I always wondered who ruined Boogieman.

It's always the worse half.

Aug. 2, 2024, 7:09 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

I always wondered who ruined Boogieman.

If you’d mapped out the subterranean water springs and the original fall line trail design, you would know her name.


 Last edited by: heckler on Aug. 2, 2024, 7:14 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Aug. 2, 2024, 7:49 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

I always wondered who ruined Boogieman.

Between you and I, quips like this are taken with the intended sarcasm, and I can bite back, only because 22 years ago you introduced me to the joys of volunteer trail maintenance and construction.

However, comments like this continue to normalize the bitchy attitudes that also turn off others who likely do not know about our personal history, potentially causing someone to not give trailwork a try. Possibly causing us to miss out in an awesome motivated new builder/maintainer when we have moved on.

Words have effect.


 Last edited by: heckler on Aug. 3, 2024, 5:21 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Aug. 3, 2024, 9:29 a.m.
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Twas a joke.

On a side note, I much like and appreciate the new signage posts as well as the exit fence on Boogie Nights.

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