cambodia update

I'd also add that while Ned's felt pretty "sanitized" when it first reopened, a year or so later some riding and some weather have aged it in pretty nicely. 

As has been implied, Cambodia will probably be similar.

Posted by: Coiler

Posted by: heckler

I still can’t believe that anyone truly enjoys riding washed out fall line creek beds with loose babyheads. That is not ‘jank’. 

Had you actually ridden CBC Neds in the two years prior to the recent massive rebuilds?   Absolute sheit. I avoided them like the plague for at least 5 years prior, and based on the number of alternatives, I am not the only one. 

The NSMBA directors are elected volunteers who hire the staff and chose direction on an annual basis bases on mission statement btw….  Spots are always open at election time.

Completely agree. Neds was literally a creek during the winter, and cbc was just brutal.

I love the new Neds, I ride it on my xc bike and it makes for part of my go to loop.

New CBC is fine, not my favourite; agreed to another comment it feels a bit lifeless. However, it fills a crucial void in the network by having a high up shuttleable trail. It also makes sense from a land management perspective, as it gives a high up shuttle option that isn’t a loamer. I think the success of that trail rebuild really bodes well for potential expansion of the sanctioned network up there.

the terrain in the CBC zone is is heavily saturated for 10 months of the year so it pretty much has to be wood and/or rock or close it down for the 10 months.

Loss of jank? There is still 5x lifetimes worth of jank still out there all over the Shore, it's just not on maps. I really can't fathom old timers complaining about a lack of jank. You guys have been around long enough to know there is more unmapped trail than there is mapped trail and the bulk of that is jank. You guy's have also been around long enough to know it's all an evolution. Life of a trail...starts as a scratched in smooth loamer, riders ride and weather weathers, trail get's tougher and jank appears.

Posted by: earleb

Loss of jank? There is still 5x lifetimes worth of jank still out there all over the Shore, it's just not on maps. I really can't fathom old timers complaining about a lack of jank. You guys have been around long enough to know there is more unmapped trail than there is mapped trail and the bulk of that is jank. You guy's have also been around long enough to know it's all an evolution. Life of a trail...starts as a scratched in smooth loamer, riders ride and weather weathers, trail get's tougher and jank appears.

yup...  the more I read from people, the more I like my cats.

Posted by: LoamtoHome

Posted by: earleb

Loss of jank? There is still 5x lifetimes worth of jank still out there all over the Shore, it's just not on maps. I really can't fathom old timers complaining about a lack of jank. You guys have been around long enough to know there is more unmapped trail than there is mapped trail and the bulk of that is jank. You guy's have also been around long enough to know it's all an evolution. Life of a trail...starts as a scratched in smooth loamer, riders ride and weather weathers, trail get's tougher and jank appears.

yup...  the more I read from people, the more I like my cats.

Wait until you dumb down your home with newly sanctioned, dedicated scratching poles and cat beds. They'll turn just as grumpy and opinionated as an OG Shore rider and continue unsanctioned scratching of sofas and sleeping in human beds. If there was a cat internet they'd probably go online to rant about it.

Trails, like everything, evolve or die. I haven't ridden Cambodia since the rebuild, but from what I hear the builders did a great job of preserving the original flavour while modernizing/upgrading to MV spec. To me, this is ideal. 

Not every trail needs the full flow treatment, but every trail could benefit from a bit of maintenance.

I will echo that land managers generally sanction existing trails instead of building new ones from scratch. This could mean various re-routes to the original trail. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing because there are so many new trails nowadays, there are lots of existing trails to pick from for upgrading and sanctioning. 

Looking at my own experience on Cypress East, sanctioning has been a huge net positive. We've maintained what was there and added excellent re-routes around the shitty sections. The volunteer muscle and NSMBA funding have allowed us to accomplish more in 3 years that we did in the last 10. Not a single person has complained about dumbing down or de-janking, even though some of that occurred in the name of increasing flow and fun. Right now, that network is running better than ever. The trails are dialed. 

I've always supported the NSMBA, even when I rarely rode a sanctioned trail, because they are putting in the work behind the scenes, sitting in meetings and sending emails to land managers, things that I have no interest in doing. 

So, what have you contributed?

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Posted by: LoamtoHome

Posted by: earleb

Loss of jank? There is still 5x lifetimes worth of jank still out there all over the Shore, it's just not on maps. I really can't fathom old timers complaining about a lack of jank. You guys have been around long enough to know there is more unmapped trail than there is mapped trail and the bulk of that is jank. You guy's have also been around long enough to know it's all an evolution. Life of a trail...starts as a scratched in smooth loamer, riders ride and weather weathers, trail get's tougher and jank appears.

yup...  the more I read from people, the more I like my cats.

Wait until you dumb down your home with newly sanctioned, dedicated scratching poles and cat beds. They'll turn just as grumpy and opinionated as an OG Shore rider and continue unsanctioned scratching of sofas and sleeping in human beds. If there was a cat internet they'd probably go online to rant about it.

If you actually owned cats you'd know there are no grumpy owners.  I have owned cats (or they have owned me) for 22 years and I don't regret a day them being in my life.  The enrichment they add is beyond any measure.

Flow and ebikes however........

Posted by: Kever

I've always supported the NSMBA, even when I rarely rode a sanctioned trail, because they are putting in the work behind the scenes, sitting in meetings and sending emails to land managers, things that I have no interest in doing. 

So, what have you contributed?

Reread this carefully.  Definition of a contradiction in terms.

Not sure I understand the contradiction. I buy a membership year after year because I believe the organization is important. Doesn't mean I always ride the shore or ride sanctioned trails.

100% understood what you meant.

Posted by: Kever

Trails, like everything, evolve or die. I haven't ridden Cambodia since the rebuild, but from what I hear the builders did a great job of preserving the original flavour while modernizing/upgrading to MV (Metro Vancouver’s specifications) spec.

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So, what have you contributed?

Clarified your abbreviations for the understanding of riders who don't collaborate with land managers.

As to your unanswered question, the response is loud and clear.

Posted by: Kever

Not sure I understand the contradiction. I buy a membership year after year because I believe the organization is important. Doesn't mean I always ride the shore or ride sanctioned trails.

I think most riders draw a distinction between unsanctioned and actively closed or illegal trails. Hence the popularity of "loamers" in the scope of traversing crown lands. That's because by the letter of the law, the second you use tools of any kind to alter the ground or physically move or alter the ground without authorization, you are committing an illegal act. We are free to cross the land, but not free to alter it for the purpose of constructing a trail. There's a number of reasons why trails aren't supposed to be constructed, but a lot of people seem to balk at those reasons when put into the larger context of things like logging, houses being built on the side of a mountain, etc. 

So the the suggested contradiction is that if you support trail orgs their policies then you won't ride unsanctioned or illegal trails and will only ride sanctioned trails.

Posted by: syncro

So the the suggested contradiction is that if you support trail orgs their policies then you won't ride unsanctioned or illegal trails and will only ride sanctioned trails.

Maybe it's an insurance plan?  Support the trail orgs so that when your favourite non-sanctioned trails are lost to development you still have a great sanctioned network to ride?

I just think it's good practice to support the trail associations. I try to support the ones where I ride most.

Posted by: Ride.DMC

Maybe it's an insurance plan?  Support the trail orgs so that when your favourite non-sanctioned trails are lost to development you still have a great sanctioned network to ride?

I just think it's good practice to support the trail associations. I try to support the ones where I ride most.

North Van problems, eh? 😅. Aren't we lucky that our politicians somehow manage to protect our greatest natural resource?

I’m thinking of West Van, Coquitlam and Abbotsford, as well as multiple locations on the Coast, Interior and Island hit by logging.