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cambodia update
What’re everyone’s thoughts on the Cambodia rebuild? Just rode it for the first time yesterday, seems like on Trailforks people certainly have some opinions!
I personally enjoyed it, although it’s quite different from the old Cambodia. Much more flow, with berms and smoothed our sections. Thanks full, as far as I can tell the tough lines have been preserved without much alteration. It is certainly much more built up.
Overall fun, but I’m of a mixed opinion on the “flowifying” of the trail, which seems to be happening to quite a few trails on the shore these days. I understand that this is driven by MV, not the builders themselves. On the other hand, im grateful they’re allowing and supporting these trails, rather than opposing it. One concern I have is that as trails are modified to become more flowy, we will see more traffic on the unsanctioned harder trails.
Posted by: Coiler
What’re everyone’s thoughts on the Cambodia rebuild? Just rode it for the first time yesterday, seems like on Trailforks people certainly have some opinions!
I personally enjoyed it, although it’s quite different from the old Cambodia. Much more flow, with berms and smoothed our sections. Thanks full, as far as I can tell the tough lines have been preserved without much alteration. It is certainly much more built up.
Overall fun, but I’m of a mixed opinion on the “flowifying” of the trail, which seems to be happening to quite a few trails on the shore these days. I understand that this is driven by MV, not the builders themselves. On the other hand, im grateful they’re allowing and supporting these trails, rather than opposing it. One concern I have is that as trails are modified to become more flowy, we will see more traffic on the unsanctioned harder trails.
I would have rather it stayed off grid and not of gotten the MV flow treatment. This is not what the trail is about and stating the rocks rolls are still there is moot....what are you going to do, remove them? Too many are going to go down this trail whom shouldn't or wouldn't be able if not for the dumbing down, and this is truly the case all over the Shore.
I have said before that the real enemy is liability, and Metro wants none. NSMBA thinks getting this trail authorized is a victory but to me it is hollow. It will get overridden and force more off grid trails in its wake......
Posted by: taprider
no longer my choice since I prefer jank over flow
You and me both, but the NSMBA doesn't seem to agree.
I guess the only constant is change. It was fun while it lasted.
Posted by: Polymath
Posted by: taprider
no longer my choice since I prefer jank over flow
You and me both, but the NSMBA doesn't seem to agree.
I agree it was better as an off grid trail, but today is far better as an open trail than decommissioned like Lola.
Winter rains and erosion will bring back the precious jank.
PS - I worked on sections of Cambodia in the past 17 years, including replacing pre-existing rotted out and since decommissioned double wooden drops of the small cliff thats now a silly wide bridge.
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Cambodia on Trailforks
https://www.trailforks.com/trails/cambodia/
https://www.trailforks.com/photo/4525140/
Yes, I personally and voluntarily rebuilt the rotted out, no longer existing wooden double drops seen on Trailforks Cambodia main-page. They were ripped out many years ago without consult by the land manager (at that time!). Not the NSMBA.
I am ecstatic with joy for the many years of NSMBA behind the scenes volunteer advocacy work that kept the trail open. I hate berms too, but closed trails even more. Thing about well built berms though - they slow down water flow erosion.
If you look carefully at the new bermy sections with a professional trail builders eye for sustainability, you’ll notice they are also performing as grade reversals and water diversions. The sections of trail they replaced were straight line fall line and now eroded to shit “jank”, nowhere similar to the original smooth fall line “loamer”.
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Posted by: Stuminator
I guess the only constant is change.
Yes. And it’s still just fun.
No cost (no bike park ticket) mountain bicycling with hundreds of kilometres of trails at our doorstep.
Mountain Biking is Serious Business. -RepgangGang
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We've both worked on Cambodia on and off heckler. Agree with you EXCEPT I don't believe Metro could have decommissioned it with anything short of dynamite.
Bottom line is that Cambodia getting sanctioned is the hand we've been dealt.
I left a metal tined rake at the top catch berm on the waterfall section. Feel free to use it to keep on top of clearing rocks away
Revamping/renovating/rejuvenating /flowifying/dumbing down trails seems to be the only thing the land managers are approving. Whatever you think about the end results, that seems to be the main factor here.
Is Bobsled in 2010 the last approved new line outside of CMHC back door additions?
I liked it, it is fun to ride, and it always was. I hope there's no shortage of funding for the amount of trail work it's going to need if they want to keep the flowy bits flowy. Like taprider said the runouts are pretty baffed out. Maybe more people who otherwise wouldn't show up to a trail day would be excited to help out on Cambodia?
I liked it just fine. I prefer it to CBC to be sure though if I'm going to shuttle up there I'll grab CBC while I'm at it. I like having flowier bits between the technical cruxes. I'm curious to see how it handles a lot of traffic as there is already significant wear and braking bumps. It's really dry up there right now.
yeah, i dig the new incarnation; bumps up trail speed in the flatter bits linking the fun features. it's a solid lap.
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