all around touring bindings?

that's pretty much what I have now with my freeride and they have served me well. I was just wondering if the new techs like the kingpins are able to do the same. I'm not a groomer kind of guy, even inbound I avoid them if possible. When my kids are racing I volunteer anyway and don't ski much those days. I guess the question should of been, are the techs better now for inbound skiing or forget it they suck and you'll hate them.

I assume you alredy have boots with tech fittings?

Duno what you need to do with the racing program but IME a step in AT binding like the fritschi freerides or any of the true stepin are OK for course work but Tech bindings are NOT because ice [HTML_REMOVED] smoo gets frozen into the pin holes or under the springs in the toe, so unless you cycle the toe pieces to clear the ice every single time before you step in your ski will fall off which is a real pain if you are working on skis often without poles and carrying something

my guardians have been flawless for 3 seasons

I assume you alredy have boots with tech fittings?

Duno what you need to do with the racing program but IME a step in AT binding like the fritschi freerides or any of the true stepin are OK for course work but Tech bindings are NOT because ice [HTML_REMOVED] smoo gets frozen into the pin holes or under the springs in the toe, so unless you cycle the toe pieces to clear the ice every single time before you step in your ski will fall off which is a real pain if you are working on skis often without poles and carrying something

Never thought of that. That's a good point, I do a lot of work on the courses. Maybe I'll just keep my old skis, binding are old (dont trust them much anymore on tours) but for work they should be just fine. Thanks, this helps a lot.

course work is not really skiing … its just working on skis

I used my touring skis to set up B-nets for the local DH probably cuz I wanted the good walking sole on my AT boots and it wasn't a good choice cuz the skis kept falling off in the new snow

Some course workers will use an AT boot cuz they walk better than a DIN soled boot but then they wedge them into an alpine binding which is not going to release properly… I wouldn't do it especialy if you are also going to course slip

I do like my boots, I can do so much work with them compared to others with alpine boots. Kepping my old skis now for sure and even if I break my bindings it doesn't mater that much. Worse case I walk back up and bonus I dont even need to wax them! I go through a lot of wax…

I'm going with these:
http://www.tyrolia.com/en/technology/innovations/aaambition.html

Super similar to the freerides.

I'm thinking about those. Swap out the adrenalines

I'm reading that having forward pressure on the boot is a BIG thing to look at when it comes to the latest crop of AT bindings and so off the top of my head:

The Fritschi freerides didn't have it

All the Dynafits before Rad 1 did't have it

I think the Dynafit beast series has it?

Some of the new Tech binding do have forward pressure on the boot

I am pretty sure the Marker Duke [HTML_REMOVED] Baron have it

I'm not sure about the Marker F10/F12?

http://markerusa.com/bindings/
this is something new/cool I just noticed Marker are the only company that market a non-touring binding that will take alpine OR At boots

http://markerusa.com/sole-i-d/

I'm reading that having forward pressure on the boot is a BIG thing to look at when it comes to the latest crop of AT bindings and so off the top of my head:

The Fritschi freerides didn't have it

Incorrect regarding the Fritschi frame style bindings. They have forward pressure that is set via the length adjusting screw and their in a spring in there giving it some elasticity.

Incorrect regarding the Fritschi frame style bindings. They have forward pressure that is set via the length adjusting screw and their in a spring in there giving it some elasticity.

correct

Yeah the screw being flush indicates a proper fore-aft placement of the heel piece but i don't think there is a lot of forward presssure from that spring, or maybe i'm imagining it ?

http://markerusa.com/bindings/
this is something new/cool I just noticed Marker are the only company that market a non-touring binding that will take alpine OR At boots

http://markerusa.com/sole-i-d/

Salomon warden do the same, it's basically just the toe/heel from a guardian. And Rossi fks duel

Yeah the screw being flush indicates a proper fore-aft placement of the heel piece but i don't think there is a lot of forward presssure from that spring, or maybe i'm imagining it ?

It's not as large a spring as some of the heavier duty full alpine bindings, but it's forward pressure and does it's job.

More than a few people broke bindings by way over cranking the fp think more is better.

Salomon warden do the same, it's basically just the toe/heel from a guardian. And Rossi fks duel

Not technically the same. The Marker is indemnified for a AT ISO 9523 sole, aka a rockered walking sole. The Solly and the Look are for WTR soles.

The WTR sole has a hard AFD plate in the sole similar to a classic alpine sole.

It's not as large a spring as some of the heavier duty full alpine bindings, but it's forward pressure and does it's job.

More than a few people broke bindings by way over cranking the fp think more is better.

yeah I thot it was a little weaker I never over cranked it but I do turn the heels up one extra to stop pre-release

But I also turn up the vertical release (small screw) on a Tech bindings 1 more than the side to side

I think vibram soles of AT boots compressing/giving back energy may cause pre-release at the heels??

AT bindings are a bit of a compromise compared to alpine