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Dec. 11, 2020, 12:51 a.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Up until this last week or so, there was an equal number of deaths from dirty drugs as there was covid. You've heard Corey Hirsch on the radio? Does anyone know what the political identity ratio of junkie's is? Because it sounds like you dumbfucks would be just fine with the right wing users dying eh.

And why is it that you just started giving a fuck about them?  Don't project your callousness on the rest of us.  Diaper Don didn't do a fucking thing in 4 years to help with the opioid crisis and he wanted to get rid of the ACA which has been proven to prevent deaths from substance abuse.  

The left has been waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of the right in trying to help out addicts (or junkies as you would call them).  Dumberfuck.

First.. wow. So many questions but.. .. : Giving a fuck about who? You assume I care about either side that shoves a needle into themself to get high? I didnt think you'd give me that credit. And just how the fuck is a Vancouver problem related to Trump and Obamacare? The left is THE drug reaching out. Serioulsy look at your brain departure there. The left is always there for you in support when you relapse like a soft blanket. Just like this lovely couple:

Dec. 11, 2020, 9:02 a.m.
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Opioids are not a Vancouver problem.

America’s Drug Overdose Epidemic: Putting Data to Action

The left is always there for you in support when you relapse like a soft blanket. Just like this lovely couple:

LOL.  Ya, OK, sure.

Dec. 11, 2020, 8:03 p.m.
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Yeah, why aren’t there scary ads about the consequences of contracting COVID?  The general poo doesn’t soon to have a grasp beyond the number of dead and how many jobs are being lost. 

(Copy pasted from the NYT as it’s behind a paywall)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/opinion/covid-public-health-messaging.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

It’s Time to Scare People About Covid

Our public messaging about the virus should explain the real costs — in graphic terms — of catching the virus.

Elisabeth Rosenthal

By Elisabeth Rosenthal

Dr. Rosenthal is a contributing Opinion writer.

Dec. 7, 2020

I still remember exactly where I was sitting decades ago, during the short film shown in class: For a few painful minutes, we watched a woman talking mechanically, raspily through a hole in her throat, pausing occasionally to gasp for air.

The public service message: This is what can happen if you smoke.

I had nightmares about that ad, which today would most likely be tagged with a trigger warning or deemed unsuitable for children. But it was supremely effective: I never started smoking and doubt that few if any of my horrified classmates did either.

When the government required television and radio stations to give $75 million in free airtime for antismoking ads between 1967 and 1970 — many of them terrifyingly graphic — smoking rates plummeted. Since then, numerous smoking “scare” campaigns have proved successful. Some even featured celebrities, like Yul Brynner’s posthumous offering with a warning after he died from lung cancer: “Now that I’m gone, don’t smoke, whatever you do, just don’t smoke.”

As the United States faces out-of-control spikes from Covid-19, with people refusing to take recommended, often even mandated, precautions, our public health announcements from governments, medical groups and health care companies feel lame compared to the urgency of the moment. A mix of clever catchphrases, scientific information and calls to civic duty, they are virtuous and profoundly dull.

The Centers for Diseases Control urges people to wear masks in videos that feature scientists and doctors talking about wanting to send kids safely to school or protecting freedom.

Quest Diagnostics made a video featuring people washing their hands, talking on the phone, playing checkers. The message: “Come together by spending 

As cases were mounting in September, the Michigan government produced videos with the exhortation, “Spread Hope, Not Covid,” urging Michiganders to put on a mask “for your community and country.”

Forget that. Mister Rogers-type nice isn’t working in many parts of the country. It’s time to make people scared and uncomfortable. It’s time for some sharp, focused terrifying realism.

“Fear appeals can be very effective,” said Jay Van Bavel, associate professor of psychology at New York University, who co-authored a paper in Nature about how social science could support Covid response efforts. (They may not be needed as much in places like New York, he noted, where people experienced the constant sirens and the makeshift hospitals.)

I’m not talking fear-mongering, but showing in a straightforward and graphic way what can happen with the virus.

From what I could find, the state of California came close to showing the urgency: a soft-focus video of a person on a ventilator, featuring the sound of a breathing machine, but not a face. It exhorted people to wear a mask for their friends, moms and grandpas.

But maybe we need a P.S.A. featuring someone actually on a ventilator in the hospital. You might see that person “bucking the vent” — bodies naturally rebel against the machine forcing pressurized oxygen into the lungs, which is why patients are typically sedated.

(Because I had witnessed this suffering as a practicing doctor, I was always upfront about the trauma with loved ones of terminally ill patients when they were trying to decide whether to consent to a relative being put on a ventilator. It sounds as easy as hooking someone to an I.V. It’s not.)

Another message could feature a patient lying in an I.C.U. bed, immobile, tubes in the groin, with a mask delivering 100 percent oxygen over the mouth and nose — eyes wide with fear, watching the saturation numbers rise and dip on the monitor over the bed.

Maybe some P.S.A.s should feature a so-called Covid long hauler, the 5 percent to 10 percent of people for whom recovery takes months. Perhaps a professional athlete like the National Football League’s Ryquell Armstead, 24, who has been in and out of the hospital with serious lung issues and missed the season.

These P.S.A.s might sound harsh, but they might overcome our natural denial. “One consistent research finding is that even when people see and understand risks, they underestimate the risks to themselves,” Mr. Van Bavel said. Graphs, statistics and reasonable explanations don’t do it. They haven’t done it.

Only after Chris Christie, an adviser to President Trump, experienced Covid, did he start preaching about mask-wearing: “When you have seven days in isolation in an I.C.U. though, you have time to do a lot of thinking,” Mr. Christie said, suggesting that people, “follow C.D.C. guidelines in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and others.”

We hear from many who resist taking precautions. They say, “I know someone who had it and it’s not so bad.” Or, “It’s just like the flu.”

Sure, most longtime smokers don’t end up with lung cancer — or tethered to an oxygen tank — either. (That, in fact, was the justification of smokers like my father, whose two-pack-a-day habit contributed to his death at 47 of a heart attack.)

These new ads will seem hard to watch. “We live in a Pixar era,” Mr. Van Bavel reflected, with traditional fairy tales now stripped of their gore and violence.

But studies have shown that emotional ads featuring personal stories about the effects of smoking were the most effective at persuading folks to quit. And quitting smoking is much harder than social-distancing and mask-wearing.

Once a vaccine has proved successful and enough people are vaccinated, the pandemic may well be in the rearview mirror. In the meantime, the creators of public health messaging should stop favoring the cute, warm and dull. And — at least sometimes — scare you

Dec. 11, 2020, 8:33 p.m.
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Joined: Feb. 26, 2015

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Up until this last week or so, there was an equal number of deaths from dirty drugs as there was covid. You've heard Corey Hirsch on the radio? Does anyone know what the political identity ratio of junkie's is? Because it sounds like you dumbfucks would be just fine with the right wing users dying eh.

And why is it that you just started giving a fuck about them?  Don't project your callousness on the rest of us.  Diaper Don didn't do a fucking thing in 4 years to help with the opioid crisis and he wanted to get rid of the ACA which has been proven to prevent deaths from substance abuse.  

The left has been waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of the right in trying to help out addicts (or junkies as you would call them).  Dumberfuck.

First.. wow. So many questions but.. .. : Giving a fuck about who? You assume I care about either side that shoves a needle into themself to get high? I didnt think you'd give me that credit. And just how the fuck is a Vancouver problem related to Trump and Obamacare? The left is THE drug reaching out. Serioulsy look at your brain departure there. The left is always there for you in support when you relapse like a soft blanket. Just like this lovely couple:

Love that film although Frankie Wilde was more of a coke head, hence the coke badger.

Dec. 11, 2020, 11:08 p.m.
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Joined: May 23, 2006

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/12/11/lee-camp-the-pandemic-dirty-dozen/

Dec. 12, 2020, 12:05 a.m.
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Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: tungsten

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/12/11/lee-camp-the-pandemic-dirty-dozen/

That reads like a trashy novel.

Dec. 12, 2020, 3:15 a.m.
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And he's not telling us anything we don't already know.

Dec. 12, 2020, 10:43 a.m.
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Cdn. content.

Dec. 12, 2020, 11:15 a.m.
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So I usually wouldn’t air dirty laundry on a public forum but I’m not sure how to handle this. My oldest son (24), recently moved back home after an ugly break up. He’s been coming in late or sometimes not at all, he’s seeing a new girl maybe two, I don’t know. I’ve spoken to him about this a couple of times now but as I type this he is still not home. Anybody have some advice or perhaps experiencing something similar.

Dec. 12, 2020, 12:49 p.m.
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Got separate entrance/suite or mandate  mask use at home?


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Dec. 12, 2020, 4:01 p.m.
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Posted by: FLATCH

So I usually wouldn’t air dirty laundry on a public forum but I’m not sure how to handle this. My oldest son (24), recently moved back home after an ugly break up. He’s been coming in late or sometimes not at all, he’s seeing a new girl maybe two, I don’t know. I’ve spoken to him about this a couple of times now but as I type this he is still not home. Anybody have some advice or perhaps experiencing something similar.

That's a tough one. I think a lot of how you act is going to be based on your views around covid and the current restrictions in place and how much latitude you're willing to cut your son. Do you or the rest of the family have any underlying health conditions you need to worry about that would be exacerbated by a bout of covid? Does he have his own suite/space in your home? How much does he interact with the rest of the family? Do you think he's following good physical distancing practices in the rest of his life besides spending time with the new gal? Those are the sorts of question to consider.

The greatest chance of getting covid comes from close  and sustained interaction with someone who's infected, so there's trust involved when letting someone into your bubble, and that trust now includes every other person your son comes into contact with. Chances are he and everyone else will be fine, but you're the one that has to decide how much risk you're willing to accept. If you can keep him confined to the basement that could be a short term solution for the next couple of months till he finds his own place. But if it becomes a thing where he's there till we're all vaccinated, well how comfortable a situation is that going to be for the next 12-18 months?

Without knowing your son it's hard to say if his lack of awareness/respect is simply because he's broken up over the ex or if this is just his typical behaviour. I think that might be where you have to base your decision.

Dec. 12, 2020, 6:02 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

Got separate entrance/suite or mandate  mask use at home?

Im confused, are you jealous of his freewheeling lifestyle or is this a covid thing?

Either way, were going to need pics of the girls hes dating to give a solid answer

Dec. 12, 2020, 8:26 p.m.
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its pretty obvious junior ain't practicing any covid protocol which means he could bring it home

assuming he ever comes home long enough TO pass COVID

Dec. 12, 2020, 8:55 p.m.
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Very cool.... https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1336466692684341249


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Dec. 12, 2020, 9:15 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

Very cool.... https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1336466692684341249

maybe you should share the rest of the story as well?

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/12/at-least-7-arrested-at-n-mississippi-home-where-protesters-have-camped-to-prevent-eviction.html

https://redhouseonmississippi.com/story

seems there are a lot of issues with this home going back to the original loan in 2002. the video on that second website seems to do a decent job of explaining the story.


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