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July 17, 2020, 1:28 p.m.
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No to both. I'm not overly concerned but I'm supposed to be starting a new job in 2 weeks so I'm being cautious, especially since the test is free and easy.

EDIT - Just checked my email.  Edit 2 - Am I the only one who has no fucking idea how the picture function on this site works?

https://imgur.com/a/tiWk6ry.jpg


 Last edited by: thaaad on July 17, 2020, 1:35 p.m., edited 4 times in total.
July 17, 2020, 1:29 p.m.
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oh snaaap

make sure you take care of yourself

July 17, 2020, 7:59 p.m.
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Taiwan’s claim that it provided early warning to the WHO about Covid and “human-to human-transmission” has been exploited by the Trump administration to attack the multi-lateral body and turn up the heat on China. There’s just one problem: it’s totally false.

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/07/17/us-taiwan-lied-warning-world-health-organization-coronavirus/

chup alert! chup alert!

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/07/17/covid-19-putin-hacked-our-vaccine-is-dumbest-story-yet/


 Last edited by: tungsten on July 17, 2020, 8:04 p.m., edited 2 times in total.
July 20, 2020, 11:56 a.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

chup alert! chup alert!

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/07/17/covid-19-putin-hacked-our-vaccine-is-dumbest-story-yet/

If you are going to alert me, at least make it worth my time.  There is no substance to this article or the writer.  She could have saved us all a lot of time and just wrote, "I don't believe the reports that Russia tried hacking to steal vaccine research.", and of course she doesn't.  She writes for Consortium News.

It is not a mystery.  You and your ilk have gone one step beyond not trusting official sources or the MSM to believe that everything they say is part of an orchestrated lie.  In your world, the truth is easy to spot because it is the opposite of what they say, which by default makes Russian sources correct every time.  You are just picking which propaganda source to follow.

July 20, 2020, 12:26 p.m.
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seems fitting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9N8piRFVcU

July 21, 2020, 9:35 p.m.
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In all the discussions of the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic, enormous scientific attention has been paid to the molecular character of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, including its novel genome sequence in comparison with its near relatives. In stark contrast, virtually no attention has been paid to the physical provenance of those nearest genetic relatives, its presumptive ancestors, which are two viral sequences named BtCoV/4991 and RaTG13.

This neglect is surprising because their provenance is more than interesting. BtCoV/4991 and RaTG13 were collected from a mineshaft in Yunnan province, China, in 2012/2013 by researchers from the lab of Zheng-li Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Very shortly before, in the spring of 2012, six miners working in the mine had contracted a mysterious illness and three of them had died (Wu et al., 2014). The specifics of this mystery disease have been virtually forgotten; however, they are described in a Chinese Master’s thesis written in 2013 by a doctor who supervised their treatment.

We arranged to have this Master’s thesis translated into English. The evidence it contains has led us to reconsider everything we thought we knew about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. It has also led us to theorise a plausible route by which an apparently isolated disease outbreak in a mine in 2012 led to a global pandemic in 2019.

The apparent origin of the COVID-19 pandemic is the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. Wuhan is also home to the world’s leading research centre for bat coronaviruses. There are two virology labs in the city, both have either collected bat coronaviruses or researched them in the recent past. The Shi lab, which collected BtCoV/4991 and RaTG13, recently received grants to evaluate by experiment the potential for pandemic pathogenicity of the novel bat coronaviruses they collected from the wild.

To add to these suggestive data points, there is a long history of accidents, disease outbreaks, and even pandemics resulting from lab accidents with viruses (Furmanski, 2014; Weiss et al., 2015). For these and other reasons, summarised in our article The Case is Building that COVID-19 Had a Lab Origin, we (a virologist and a geneticist) and others have concluded that a lab outbreak is a credible thesis. Certainly, a lab origin has at least as much circumstantial evidence to support it as does any natural zoonotic origin theory (Piplani et al., 2020; Segreto and Deigin, 2020; Zhan et al., 2020). 

The media, normally so enamoured of controversy, has largely declined even to debate the possibility of a laboratory escape. Many news sites have simply labelled it a conspiracy theory. 

The principal reason for media dismissals of the lab origin possibility is a review paper in Nature Medicine (Andersen et al., 2020). Although by Jun 29 2020 this review had almost 700 citations it also has major scientific shortcomings. These flaws are worth understanding in their own right but they are also useful background for understanding the implications of the Master’s thesis.

wow, a mine shaft gap.....

https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/


 Last edited by: tungsten on July 21, 2020, 9:47 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
July 22, 2020, 11:26 a.m.
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I think another reason this doesn't get talked about much anymore is that a lot of people were quick to claim it was a Chinese conspiracy and they created the virus in a lab. When that was debunked people moved on even though it didn't disprove that the virus escaped from a lab, just that it had natural origins and wasn't man made. I remember Shogun bringing up the lab early on and thinking "LOL. Another crazy theory", only to learn that there really is a lab and it really was working on these types of viruses.


 Last edited by: chupacabra on July 22, 2020, 11:27 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
July 22, 2020, 11:45 a.m.
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Lockdown coming up.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-party-held-on-vancouver-beach-despite-social-distancing-pleas-from-health-officials

July 22, 2020, 12:26 p.m.
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Posted by: Brocklanders

Lockdown coming up.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-party-held-on-vancouver-beach-despite-social-distancing-pleas-from-health-officials

Driving out to Kits last night there was a bunch of middle aged guys playing soccer and I was like wtf, that's not practicing physical distancing. People are definitely getting a bit too comfortable and maybe resting on our laurels.

July 22, 2020, 12:51 p.m.
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Posted by: Brocklanders

Lockdown coming up.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-party-held-on-vancouver-beach-despite-social-distancing-pleas-from-health-officials

It is the homeopathic and crystal crowd that are the most resistant to doing even the most minor things to stop the spread, so carelessness at the drum circle is no big surprise.  My wife has some form of lung disease that doctors haven't figured out yet so we are being extra cautious.  She asked another mom if she could wear a mask during a playdate with our kids and she said no because she doesn't feel that it is good for her family's health to live in a sterilized world.  Thanks bitch.  We actually thought she was taking the virus seriously because she had opted to not send her daughter back to school at the end of the year, but it turned out that was because she thought they would clean the school too much.  Some people are weird.  LOL.

July 22, 2020, 12:53 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Brocklanders

Lockdown coming up.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-party-held-on-vancouver-beach-despite-social-distancing-pleas-from-health-officials

Driving out to Kits last night there was a bunch of middle aged guys playing soccer and I was like wtf, that's not practicing physical distancing. People are definitely getting a bit too comfortable and maybe resting on our laurels.

My big concern is for September, so I hope people catch on to the fact that this is not over.  Once kids are back school and people move back indoors more we could see this thing take off just like April.

July 22, 2020, 1:47 p.m.
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My big concern is that this virus will remain until a vaccine or herd immunity is reached.  Until then, there's going to be constant outbreaks, with large outbreaks and deaths in the societies of the "free and stupid".

July 22, 2020, 3 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: Brocklanders

Lockdown coming up.

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-party-held-on-vancouver-beach-despite-social-distancing-pleas-from-health-officials

It is the homeopathic and crystal crowd that are the most resistant to doing even the most minor things to stop the spread, so carelessness at the drum circle is no big surprise.  My wife has some form of lung disease that doctors haven't figured out yet so we are being extra cautious.  She asked another mom if she could wear a mask during a playdate with our kids and she said no because she doesn't feel that it is good for her family's health to live in a sterilized world.  Thanks bitch.  We actually thought she was taking the virus seriously because she had opted to not send her daughter back to school at the end of the year, but it turned out that was because she thought they would clean the school too much.  Some people are weird.  LOL.

Also known as the new hippies.. or wooks as they are called.

July 22, 2020, 6:34 p.m.
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Every single one of those oxygen thieves should just walk in to the ocean.

Fuck every one of them with the power of a thousand  suns.

July 22, 2020, 7:26 p.m.
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I see no difference to that beach party and the racist protests.

But you aren't allowed to say that right?

Things have moved on, people at risk are being shielded more carefully, for the vast majority this virus isn't going to be a big issue for them. This is where the lack of conformity is creeping in. it's a free world so I'm not going to judge. Just keep the fuck away from me.

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