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Dec. 3, 2021, 10:18 a.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Fellas, fellas, fellas. Is it not possible to pose a discussion question/idea around here without the knives coming out?

The Dr. Corrigan article has nothing to do with anti-vax nonsense or anything like that which appears in some of the articles/pages that reference his blog post. The guy has a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology and suggested a theoretical pathway where it may be possible for mRNA to change DNA in the host cell via reverse transcription. Some other smart people, scientists from Harvard and MIT, were investigating why PCR tests still registered positive well after someone should have cleared covid and found a means by which the covid virus may possibly change cellular DNA. This pathway is similar to what Corrigan theorized and is what he talks about. He doesn't present as an anti-vaxxer from what I read on his webapge. If you go to his article, the source for shogun's link, (which people should do when trying to evaluate info), he makes a point that he is not claiming that the covid vax permanently alters our DNA and points out that some sites are using his info/post fallaciously.

Again, this is a theoretical exercise I am presenting for consideration. I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did. I simply asked the question, and provided hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur. I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable. It most certainly deserves closer inspection and testing to rule this possibility out, and I would hope that a rigorous and comprehensive test program would be instituted with the same enthusiasm that propelled the vaccine haphazardly through the normal safety checkpoints.

Sure it's fair to criticize the pages that misrepresent his original thoughts, but it would be a mistake to asses his thoughts on the basis of someone else's interpretation of what he said. Did anybody look at Corrigan's post on the topic?

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15/breaking-study-sheds-more-light-on-whether-an-rna-vaccine-can-permanently-alter-dna/

Claiming an article written by Dr. Doug, has nothing to do with Anti-vax nonsense is like a magician telling you there is nothing up his sleeve, when you can clearly see a freaking rabbit sticking its head out. The quote you included even lays his underlying message pretty bare. One glance at his twitter feed would tell most reasonable people all they need to know about Dr. Doug biases. The COVID vaccine is dangerous. The COVID vaccine is a money making scheme by the Pharmaceutical industry. The COVID vaccine created the Delta variant. The COVID vaccine is a way for Bill Gates to reduce the global population (I wish I was kidding).

Dr. Doug is purveyor of subtle anti-vax rhetoric disguised as 'presenting theoretical exercises for consideration'. I think it's pretty clear to anyone not already sympathetic to anti-vax viewpoints that there is sufficient cause to disregard Dr. Doug's 'original thoughts'. I would also add that the 'knives' aren't out, people are just quick to pick up on the red-flags when they've been inundated with COVID scaremongering from virtually every corner of the internet for as long as we have.

As the markets across the globe prepare to collapse due to a new variant that Pfizer and Moderna’s “vaccines” more than likely created, Pfizer and Moderna’s stocks get ready to reach new heights as they capitalize on the perpetual opportunity wheel they’ve attached themselves to. pic.twitter.com/AuTuUZYPA7— Dr. Doug Corrigan (@ScienceWDrDoug) November 28, 2021

Big pharma takes no risk. The government takes no risk. The doctor takes no risk. But who takes all of the risk if you get vaccinated?You.Who takes all of the risk if you don’t get vaccinated. You. But who is trying to dictate which risk you will take?Them.— Dr. Doug Corrigan (@ScienceWDrDoug) October 26, 2021

You got it. The more the vaccines fail, the more you need them, the more $ they make. https://t.co/DGPFCmBSg4— Dr. Doug Corrigan (@ScienceWDrDoug) November 27, 2021

We are being mandated to inject a substance made by a behemoth which paid the largest criminal fine in history for pharmaceutical fraud, being promulgated by a software billionaire who wants to reduce the population, and with enforcement by a government with dreams of tyranny.— Dr. Doug Corrigan (@ScienceWDrDoug) November 14, 2021


 Last edited by: Schnickelfritz on Dec. 3, 2021, 1:39 p.m., edited 4 times in total.
Dec. 3, 2021, 10:56 a.m.
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Posted by: Schnickelfritz

Posted by: syncro

The Dr. Corrigan article has nothing to do with anti-vax nonsense

Claiming Dr. Doug has nothing to do with Anti-vax nonsense

One of these things is not like the other. Maybe if you set your biases aside you could see the difference between what was written and what you read.

Dec. 3, 2021, 11:13 a.m.
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Much more than I care to read on how and why the anti-vax crowd uses that article as a springboard and a general refutation of points that the Anti-vax propagandist Dr Doug tries to claim it makes.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-versus-purity-of-essence/


 Last edited by: Couch_Surfer on Dec. 3, 2021, 11:28 a.m., edited 2 times in total.
Dec. 3, 2021, 11:47 a.m.
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Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Much more than I care to read on how and why the anti-vax crowd uses that article as a springboard.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-versus-purity-of-essence/

Yeah, I was just reading through it and the article they reference definitely puts the words of Corrigan in a very different light than what he stated in his blog. That link of yours is a pretty good read though and does a good job of explaining the deficiencies in that article they reference and what the problems are in Corrigan's thinking/theorizing. Gorski's written some great articles and I think I've shared one of them here before, can't remember how many pages back tho. I've used his stuff a fair bit.

Dec. 3, 2021, 12:34 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Schnickelfritz

Posted by: syncro

The Dr. Corrigan article has nothing to do with anti-vax nonsense

Claiming Dr. Doug has nothing to do with Anti-vax nonsense

One of these things is not like the other. Maybe if you set your biases aside you could see the difference between what was written and what you read.

Quibble.

Dec. 3, 2021, 12:44 p.m.
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Posted by: Schnickelfritz

Quibble.

You may think so, but it cuts to the core of being able to have a reasonable discussion on contentious topics. 

It's why I told you to F-off in our previous exchange as you kept misrepresenting what I said and putting words in my mouth.

Dec. 4, 2021, 11:59 p.m.
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Joined: May 23, 2006

Sweet!

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/some-experts-suggest-omicron-variant-may-have-evolved-in-an-animal-host/

Dec. 7, 2021, 2:43 p.m.
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Dec. 10, 2021, 9:27 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

Moderna is playing an even nastier legal game in the very nation currently being blamed for the rise of the Omicron variant. According to the UK’s Evening Standard newspaper, “South Africa recently granted Moderna several far-reaching patents on mRNA technology that could potentially undermine efforts to get a new COVID-19 vaccine off the assembly line”—notably one being developed for use around Africa by the Antiviral Gene Therapy Research Unit at the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg with help from the WHO. Thus not only are pharmaceutical companies hoarding medical knowledge that should be freely available to nations around the world, they’re also trying to game the system to prevent anyone else from being able to duplicate that knowledge in the interest of global public health.

https://digboston.com/the-omicron-syndrome/

Dec. 12, 2021, 10 a.m.
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Has anyone had a short trip less than 72hrs to the US on land, in the last week? Did you need a test to get back into Canada? Gov.ca seems to say no, but a colleague said yes. Thanks for any update.

Dec. 15, 2021, 3:04 p.m.
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Got the booster yesterday, I had been double pfizerd 6 months ago so in that situ they give you 1/2 a hit of Moderna or a full hit if you are 70+, sore arm this am but no biggy

Dec. 15, 2021, 3:32 p.m.
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Posted by: XXX_er

Got the booster yesterday, I had been double pfizerd 6 months ago so in that situ they give you 1/2 a hit of Moderna or a full hit if you are 70+, sore arm this am but no biggy

Nice. I'll get my booster mid-Jan. I had AZ + Mod so I am hoping for Pfiz next to get the Vax Triple Crown!

Dec. 21, 2021, 8:37 p.m.
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Neat, the US Army has a soccer ball shaped vaccine that can accommodate different spike proteins on each of its 24 faces, making it highly versatile against COVID and SARS variants. Could have implications for flu vaccines as well which is an exciting by product of this whole damn thing. Flus are expensive and kill, an adaptable vaccine would be highly beneficial to everyone.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

Also, Moderna and the US CDC say that their vaccine is effective against Omnicron.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/moderna-booster-dose-coronavirus-omicron-1.6292454


 Last edited by: tashi on Dec. 21, 2021, 8:39 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Dec. 22, 2021, 9:47 a.m.
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I'm not a fan of the tone or some of the language in this article from the Tyee as I think it represents fear mongering, but it correctly points out where our governments have failed and continue to fail in regards to managing the pandemic.

COVID is teaching us once again that a highly transmissible variant is more deadly than a lethal one because it will infect more people in short order and thereby injure or kill more people. A highly transmissible virus is something to be feared and respected.

Four myths we chose to embrace

Myth 1: Vaccines will get us out of this.
Myth 2: Pandemics are unpredictable and have nothing to do with policy or human behaviour.
Myth 3: We can live with this virus, and it will become milder over time.
Myth 4: COVID is just a flu-like virus.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/12/22/Omicron-Here-Invited-In/

Dec. 22, 2021, 9:56 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

Neat, the US Army has a soccer ball shaped vaccine that can accommodate different spike proteins on each of its 24 faces, making it highly versatile against COVID and SARS variants. Could have implications for flu vaccines as well which is an exciting by product of this whole damn thing. Flus are expensive and kill, an adaptable vaccine would be highly beneficial to everyone.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

Also, Moderna and the US CDC say that their vaccine is effective against Omnicron.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/moderna-booster-dose-coronavirus-omicron-1.6292454

You'll probably find this one on masks of particular interest.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/49/e2110117118

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