When Iraq gets invaded...

Originally posted by Gandalf
So EC, if the UN doesn't agree with the US, they should just be ignored? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the UN? Wasn't another of the UN's purposes to avoid another World War?

Not what I said. It was just a guess as to what might happen, not what I would suggest at all.

Originally posted by gearwh0re

do you know that "smart" bombs miss their target 20% of the time? did you know that pilots make mistakes? (we have 4 innocent canadians who died with their blood on your POS prez's hands to proce that) did you know that "weapons" factories sometimes turn out to be making asprin? even the most hell bent war monger cannot deny that innocent people die in war.

well, if u ask me, only missing 20% of the time is not bad…let me do the math real quick…that means that hmmm, 80% of the time they hit their targets…wow, thats not too bad if you look at it like that.

in reguards to your 4 canadians killed…what about the thousands of americans that those ass clowns killed on september 11th? 4:thousands isnt to bad of a ratio…

Originally posted by burtonboards32
**well, if u ask me, only missing 20% of the time is not bad…let me do the math real quick…that means that hmmm, 80% of the time they hit their targets…wow, thats not too bad if you look at it like that.

in reguards to your 4 canadians killed…what about the thousands of americans that those ass clowns killed on september 11th? 4:thousands isnt to bad of a ratio… **

That is so stupid I don't know where to begin.

Originally posted by burtonboards32
**well, if u ask me, only missing 20% of the time is not bad…let me do the math real quick…that means that hmmm, 80% of the time they hit their targets…wow, thats not too bad if you look at it like that.

in reguards to your 4 canadians killed…what about the thousands of americans that those ass clowns killed on september 11th? 4:thousands isnt to bad of a ratio… **

imagine if vancouver was being bombed , and the enemy was going only for miltary targets but missed 20% of their targets. goodbye burrard street bridge, hello horrible civilian deaths. sure 80% sounds great, but the human cost in the 20% is HUGE. and remeber, if they accidently bomb a wedding hall or aspirn factory (both happened more than once the first time around) that is considered a hit and not part of the 20%.

you some how try to make the logic that more deaths are ok because of sept 11. i only wish sept 11 made more people think the way i do which is "stop killing each other"

war sucks, and even if the USA was in the right, which they clearly are not, bombing iraq will solve nothing

Originally posted by Barak

France, Germany, and Russia have all declared that they will NOT
support a U.N. resolution for war and I believe this will spark more countries that are afraid to make a stand to do so. Even the pope has sent emmisarys to the white house telling the President that the war is not yet morally justified and will not
look good in the eys of God.

France Germany Russia the US and China make up the 5 standing members in the UN Security council. ALL five have to agree that action needs to be taken b4 they will go to war. France will DEFINITLY not give the go ahead. If the US wants to go to war for whatever stupid reason they are coming up with this time they will do so without UN Approval.

Purely out of curiosity…
Could those of you who are so inclined please post up a list of the reasons the world should not go to war in Iraq? Just a list, no backup is necessary.
Thanks.

The following letter from former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, everone that thinks a War on Iraq is a good idea should read.
I personally believe that Saddam's time has come and that he does not care for or represent the majority of the people of Iraq. Since the UN sanctions against Iraq have started, there is a direct and attributable cause of the death of over 500,000 Children…Children. This is not even acounting for the kids who were killed as Casulties of war. Anyone who has ever met a 3 year old kid should know that the do not pose too much of a threat to the safety of the world.

4000 innocent americans killed on 9/11

500,000 innocent iraqi children killed since 1991

I think the US can step away and call it even

BTW, we ALL sanctioned the killing of these kids, this is not soley the fault of the US gov't so stop the finger pointing. This is a UN sanction. The blood is on everyones hands.

Over half the population of Iraq are now Children

Do you really want to wage war on kids?

These are Children, anyone knows that killing kids is just not right, take out Saddam, nice and clean, head shot or laser guided bomb, you have my blessing.

But killing kids, man it just ain't right.

This has been sent to each member of the Security Council. Please help
circulate this information widely.

January 26, 2000

Permanent Mission of the United Kingdom to the United Nations

Dear H.E. Sir Jeremy Greenstock, KCMG,

A delegation of U.S. citizens from twenty states has just returned from
Iraq. On January 17, we observed in Baghdad the 9th Anniversary of
the beginning of the January 17 - February 28, 1991. U.S. aircraft
flew 110,000 aerial sorties against Iraq, averaging one every 30
seconds, dropping 88,500 tons of explosives, the equivalent of 7 l/2
Hiroshima bombs.

This was by far the most intensive bombardment in history. It killed
tens of thousands of people, injuring many more. Medicines and
medical supplies were exhausted. It devastated water systems from
reservoir, pumping station, pipeline, filtration plant to kitchen faucet as
well as urban sewage and sanitation systems nationwide. Food
production, processing, storage, distribution, and marketing facilities
were widely destroyed. Poultry was nearly wiped out by loss of
electricity and lack of grain. Animal herds were decimated. Fertilizer
and insecticide plants and storage structures were destroyed.
Communications systems, telephone, radio, TV, were shattered.
Transportation was badly battered. Vital industries were attacked
everywhere. Electric power was knocked out across the nation in the
first 24 hours of the assault. Petroleum production, refining, storage
and distribution from well to service station were attacked across the
nation.

The combined effect of this vast destruction of essential goods,
services and industries with the most comprehensive economic
sanctions of modern times, first imposed on Hiroshima Day, August 6,
1990, has caused more than a million and a half deaths.

Conditions of Life and Death in Iraq

I have traveled to and within Iraq ten times since sanctions were
imposed, once during the bombing in 1991. Each year, the death rate
has risen radically. The numbers of deaths have been reported
internationally regularly and updated each month since 1991. In Iraq,
they are palpable. UN agencies, the World Health Organization, the
Food and Agriculture Organization, the World Food Program,
UNICEF and others have found and confirmed the deaths time and
time again. They must shock the conscience of every sentient human
being. Comprehensive reports by UN agencies and other sources are
available to you. You are charged with this knowledge. The total
numbers of deaths in every segment of the society has risen radically in
each of the past nine years under U.S./U.N. sanctions.

As a tragic illustration total annual deaths of children in Iraq under the
age of five from respiratory infection, diarrhea and gastroenteritis and
malnutrition are:

During
1989:7110 deaths
1991:27473
1994:52905
1997:58845
1998:71279
1999(Jan.- Nov.): 73572

The annual number of deaths of children under age five grew more
than tenfold from 1989 to 1999. Total deaths of children under age
five from these selected causes alone during 1990 to November 1999
is 502,492.

While children under age five are the most vulnerable age group,
except for the extreme elderly, every age group has suffered radical
increases in the numbers of deaths. Members of the population with
serious chronic illnesses requiring regular medication, or therapy,
suffer the highest percentages of death of any sectors, approaching
100% for some illnesses where survival rates were as high as 95%
before sanctions.

The sanctions target to kill, or injure infants, children, the elderly, and
the chronically ill.

The Red Crescent and other knowledgeable professional groups
believe it will be years after the end of sanctions before the increase in
deaths from most causes stops rising because of the cumulative effect
of the sanctions on the physical conditions of parents, children, the
new born and the overall environment.

Most of those who survive suffer severe physical and mental injury
from the sanctions. Indicative of the impact of sanctions is the
enormous rise in the percentage of registered births under 2.5
kilograms, a dangerously low birth weight in a nation without adequate
food, medicine and medical supplies and equipment. Like death,
under weight births have risen radically every year:

The Sanctions Violate the Genocide Convention of 1948

Genocide is defined in the Genocide Convention, in part, as follows:

Article II…genocide means any of the following acts committed
with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical,
racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the
group;
(C) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

There can be no doubt that the sanctions against Iraq intentionally
destroyed in major part members of a national group and a religious
group, as such, killing members of the groups, causing bodily and
mental harm to their members and deliberately inflicting conditions of
life calculated to bring about their physical destruction, at least, in
part. If this is not genocide, what is?

The United States, after decades of resisting, finally ratified the
Genocide Convention before these sanctions were imposed. It has
frequently accused other governments of genocide, sometimes
assaulting them severely with its massive, high tech military weapons
against which nearly all nations are defenseless.

The Food for Oil Program has failed to stop the increased death rates

The Food for Oil program was approved in December 1996 as a
means of maintaining the sanctions against Iraq which were meeting
growing opposition in the Security Council. After three years of
operation barely six billion dollars in contracts under the program
have been received from 19 billion dollars of oil sales. Despite Iraq's
desperate needs, more of the funds from sales of its oil have been
turned over to the U.S., the UN and others making claims against
Iraq than have been allocated to contracts approved for purchase of
food, medicine, equipment and equipment parts for the people of
Iraq. Five billion in contracts for purchases entered into by Iraq has
not been approved.

It is criminal to hold the lives of the people of Iraq hostage to demands of
the U.S. against their government, whatever those demands may be. In war it is
prohibited to use starvation as a weapon. Medical aid must be given enemy
wounded. Under sanctions an Iraqi is being deliberately killed every two
minutes by conditions of life inflicted by the sanctions. Sanctions are the
functional equivalent of pointing guns at the heads of Iraq's children and
elderly while saying do what we demand to their government, or we
will shoot, then pulling a trigger every two minutes, or less.

To save the United Nations in the judgment of history, the Security
Council must end the sanctions immediately. They are genocide.

To save itself from the judgment of the people of the world, the U.S.
must immediately act to end the sanctions and account for its acts.

Sincerely,
Ramsey Clark

International Action Center
39 West 14th Street, Room 206
New York, NY 10011
email: [email protected]
http://www.iacenter.org
phone: 212 633-6646
fax: 212 633-2889

Originally posted by EC Biker
Hopefully, I'll be in time for the war on terror. This may be hard to understand, but I love my country, have been practically raised in the military, and I don't particularly like terrorism.

ohh I would have thought you liked terrorism:rolleyes:

give your fucking head a shake. you are a loser.

Originally posted by EC Biker
Purely out of curiosity…
Could those of you who are so inclined please post up a list of the reasons the world should not go to war in Iraq? Just a list, no backup is necessary.
Thanks.

The loss of innocent lives comes to mind.

Did we not learn anything from WW1? Only to make a second mistake. And now it's a third time. War is never the answer. The US will never over throw Saddam, just like they will never catch Bin Laden, instead, the innocent will suffer.

Originally posted by giZ
**ohh I would have thought you liked terrorism:rolleyes:

give your fucking head a shake. you are a loser. **

dude, this guy has the balls to backup his countryand what is going on in it. if i were next to you id give your head a shake. YOU, my friend, are the loser here…

funny that instead of needing reasons to bomb a country to bits (which you think most people would want) ec biker wants reasons not to bomb them :lol:

next lets make a list of why not to bomb north dakota

Originally posted by burtonboards32
dude, this guy has the balls to backup his countryand what is going on in it. if i were next to you id give your head a shake. YOU, my friend, are the loser here…

I am fine with being called a loser. I actually prefer being a loser. :)

Originally posted by gearwh0re
**funny that instead of needing reasons to bomb a country to bits (which you think most people would want) ec biker wants reasons not to bomb them :lol:

next lets make a list of why not to bomb north dakota **

and after north dakota we'll start with newfoundland

Originally posted by burtonboards32
dude, this guy has the balls to backup his countryand what is going on in it. if i were next to you id give your head a shake. YOU, my friend, are the loser here…

LOL back up his country on some retarded thing eh? Shows his smarts. "Whent he Germans don't wanna fight, Take a fucking hint" Would be a good line for you to see.

Giz I'm sure is anti-war. Which is the good thing, Because the U.S. has bullshit for idea's about why to attack Iraq.

People stil don't realise why the world trade center hit the ground.