Unidentified Arial Phenomena (UAPs)

I'm interested in what you mean by "taking it seriously".

What are we supposed to do about it? Not trying to be snarky at all, but what can you possibly expect us to do? Walk up to the pentagon or nasa or area 51 and be like "Show me the tapes,"?

I believe in extraterrestrial life probably more seriously than anyone I know so don't take this as me dismissing the idea I just don't know what you expect people to do. Until something happens or something is exposed as real truth it's all just... who the fuck knows. Clouds, gas, errors, I have no idea.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

- Carl Sagan

Posted by: thaaad

I'm interested in what you mean by "taking it seriously".

What are we supposed to do about it? Not trying to be snarky at all, but what can you possibly expect us to do? Walk up to the pentagon or nasa or area 51 and be like "Show me the tapes,"?

I believe in extraterrestrial life probably more seriously than anyone I know so don't take this as me dismissing the idea I just don't know what you expect people to do. Until something happens or something is exposed as real truth it's all just... who the fuck knows. Clouds, gas, errors, I have no idea.

I mean that it is still pushed to the side as "not really news".  People ask "Where is the high-quality video and proof?" but it is hard to get that if nobody really cares and there is no money or effort put into obtaining more data, or any pressuring of the military to just tell us what they believe is going on.  This is exactly what is finally happening with a NASA investigation and top members of the US congress demanding answers, so all people need to do is pay attention and wonder what they are instead of instantly discrediting the entire topic.  I don't expect anyone to storm their government buildings demanding answers.  We don't even do that with climate change.

I guess I just see the recent development of the Pentagon admitting they exist and that they have better evidence they are not showing us as a watershed moment.  It makes me ask "Why doesn't it seem to get more than a quick news clip with a few green men jokes on the news?"  The US military is telling us there are real physical objects flying around our skies that make modern fighter jets look like obsolete technology.  The scientific community is also getting behind this and wants to know more.  I think the only reason this is not a bigger story is that people don't want to give it any air because UFOs are silly and for silly people.

This article sums up my thoughts better than I can.

https://bigthink.com/hard-science/ufo-uap-science/

Posted by: switch

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

- Carl Sagan

Just as there are those who accept every UFO report at face value, there are also those who dismiss the idea of alien visitation out of hand and with great passion. It is, they say, unnecessary to examine the evidence, and “unscientific” even to contemplate the issue. I once helped to organize a public debate at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science between proponent and opponent scientists of the proposition that some UFOs were spaceships; whereupon a distinguished physicist, whose judgment in many other matters I respected, threatened to sic the Vice President of the United States on me if I persisted in this madness.

- Also Carl Sagan

If he were alive today I would bet all my chips that he would be leading this charge to take this very seriously and to know more.

I think for most people the idea of a uap/ufo is still too Out There to gain any sort of legitimate traction. FWIW if this was a terrestrial power that had this sort of tech and was not the US or one of it's allies, we would have already succumbed to this foreign power. And then there is also this:

The Far Side always has the best answers.  :)

It is too "out there" for most people and there are no easy answers so that makes it difficult to follow.  As you said, if it was any of the known global powers it would most likely have already been used to their advantage somehow so it seems unlikely.  That just makes it harder for the subject to get traction because aliens becomes the default answer.  Until we have that UHD video I think it will stay that way.  (crossing fingers)

I'm quite interested in this topic and it would amazing if true. There's a lot of interesting stuff here.

Unfortunately any old existing video footage is blurry and any new video footage can be faked with great detail so we may never know for sure what's real footage. Even if a real physical being was on tv, prosthetic makeup is so good how would you even know the difference.

There are some stories that these are not from another planet but from this planet and come from the ocean and have been tracked underwater.

This guy, Professor Simon has a good take on the navy and other UFO sighting; laser induced plasma, the sightings are US military objects being tested on their own military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5V_j55hvU0&t=990s

There is a section of a US bill or whatever (NDAA) being passed in November/December that will protect whistleblowers from severe consequences on breaking NDA's regarding UFO's.

Sam Harris and Eric Weinstein have both said they were contact by some unknown group to assist with disclosure when the time comes.

My main hope is that the stories of UFO's disarming nuclear warheads is true. We might need that. Look up Robert Salas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtGaxsfgRJ4

Here are a few of my favourite videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWB2hiPhUg&list=WL&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE-Yrv1-chI&list=WL&index=28

Lots of videos of fast walkers on you tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7eeqnZNhp4

Maybe will find out more about element 115 and how it can solve our clean energy needs.

I had never heard of laser-induced plasma before.  That is some crazy shit.  It doesn't explain everything but it is something I never considered.  The guy talking about it has the hair of a man that knows his stuff.  LOL  

I will check out the rest of those videos when I have time.  Thanks coolatt.

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Posted by: chupacabra
You are great at math KenN, but not very good at thinking outside of the box.
First, you are thinking of aliens in human terms. They might live way longer than we do and think of 1000 years as a doable space trip or 5000 years as feasible for a mission of some kind. They might be on a planet near a black hole and can use time dilation to their benefit. Or I think the most likely possibility is that they would send AI probes as we do for exploration so long times frames were less of an issue. Travelling between stars is achievable with a source of constant acceleration, even below 1G. This is not something we can even comprehend yet, but it doesn't require bending the theory of relativity or warp drives. There is no need to go close to light speed and the energy required to accelerate doesn't increase that much until you are over 0.6C. If we could send a probe to Alpha Centauri that took 50 years, that is 54 years before we were receiving data back from the mission.
An even more intriguing idea would be if they sent very small ships that could replicate and build from materials in some way. They could build as many probes as needed upon arrival. We (humans) have even considered doing this (without the replication part) using lasers to propel a tiny craft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot

They might ride magical space unicorns and have found inter-dimensional time travel after a rogue comet supercharged the planet krypton.

I don't see any magical earth unicorns, do you? They have to be somewhere. Checkmate.

Here is another video discussion with Gary Nolan

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yqwpee/garry_nolan_says_theres_no_unanimity_among/

Posted by: coolatt

Here is another video discussion with Gary Nolan

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yqwpee/garry_nolan_says_theres_no_unanimity_among/

This guy is very interesting and asks the right questions.  He has a long interview with Lex Fridman that I have been meaning to watch.  If Lex's monotone voice doesn't lull me to sleep first it should get deep into the science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCc2-1tbBQ

thought you might like this one

Far Side is always good.