Trump.
Posted by: chupacabra
He aint saying nothing new and just pandering to the young socialists.
And remember who said this : the goal of socialism is communism.
You do realize that Lenin's socialism and Bernie's socialism are not the same right? And by "the goal", Lenin meant "his goal". He saw socialism as a stage between capitalism and communism and that was his idea not a known definition of the term at the time. Or do you think Sweden is on it's way to communism?
I didnt know Lenin was socialist....You can split these hairs all you want but the end result will be the same. The US is already bankrupt, you think they can afford Bernie? Not only that, but really what happens after Bernie? Or even during Bernie's term? And communism is communism, doesnt matter if its Mao or Putin - absolute power resides in the state and the "surpreme vested authority", ie Emporer Palputine.
ps: why you gotta help Tungsten out? We all seem to agree he needs to use his words more. Or were you proactively trying avoid more counterpunch links?
Posted by: tungsten
Bernie sold out.jpeg not linked
I wonder if Antifa will be working security.
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus
The US is already bankrupt, you think they can afford Bernie?
Easily, just remove the militarists from power.
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Posted by: tungsten
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus
The US is already bankrupt, you think they can afford Bernie?
Easily, just remove the militarists from power.
Wouldnt he need to change Congress and Wall St first and then he might be able to do that?
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus
Posted by: chupacabra
He aint saying nothing new and just pandering to the young socialists.
And remember who said this : the goal of socialism is communism.
You do realize that Lenin's socialism and Bernie's socialism are not the same right? And by "the goal", Lenin meant "his goal". He saw socialism as a stage between capitalism and communism and that was his idea not a known definition of the term at the time. Or do you think Sweden is on it's way to communism?
I didnt know Lenin was socialist....You can split these hairs all you want but the end result will be the same. The US is already bankrupt, you think they can afford Bernie? Not only that, but really what happens after Bernie? Or even during Bernie's term? And communism is communism, doesnt matter if its Mao or Putin - absolute power resides in the state and the "surpreme vested authority", ie Emporer Palputine.
ps: why you gotta help Tungsten out? We all seem to agree he needs to use his words more. Or were you proactively trying avoid more counterpunch links?
Why is the US bankrupt? It wasn't from socialism. They put 2 wars on the credit card and thought 2 deep tax cuts would solve the problem. Meanwhile, these countries that Bernie wants to emulate are doing quite well fiscally, so the question should be "Can America afford another Republican POTUS?". The farmer bailout has been twice the auto bailout that Tea Partiers bitched about constantly. Whatever happened to those assholes anyway? If they had an ounce of integrity the Tea Party should be screaming from the rooftops.
The truth is that electing Bernie won't turn America into Norway as soon as he hits the oval office. Even Bernie knows that. I would be impressed if he pulled off Medicare for all in the first term, but taxes will need to increase on regular people so one term might be all it is. I am not sure how Americans can come to grips with the fact that higher taxes are a must regardless of who is in power.
Posted by: tungsten
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/public-enemy-flavor-flav-bernie-sanders-960272/
They kicked Flav out of the group. Now Bernie can wear the clock and tell everyone what time it is .... Boyeeeee
Whoa! NYT's say Sanders should choose Stacey Abrams as his VP running mate. I can hear the crackers crumbling from here. lol...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/opinion/bernie-sanders-polls.html
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The conspiracy to stop Bernie has begun...
Posted by: switch
The conspiracy to stop Bernie has begun...
Apparently Obama had a "heart-to-heart" conversation with Butterguy just before he dropped out.
Creepy, sleepy Joe.....
Posted by: chupacabra
Why is the US bankrupt? It wasn't from socialism. They put 2 wars on the credit card and thought 2 deep tax cuts would solve the problem. Meanwhile, these countries that Bernie wants to emulate are doing quite well fiscally, so the question should be "Can America afford another Republican POTUS?". The farmer bailout has been twice the auto bailout that Tea Partiers bitched about constantly. Whatever happened to those assholes anyway? If they had an ounce of integrity the Tea Party should be screaming from the rooftops.
The truth is that electing Bernie won't turn America into Norway as soon as he hits the oval office. Even Bernie knows that. I would be impressed if he pulled off Medicare for all in the first term, but taxes will need to increase on regular people so one term might be all it is. I am not sure how Americans can come to grips with the fact that higher taxes are a must regardless of who is in power.
It also wasnt from Trump right, cough cough Obamacare. The US is close to it - debt ceiling limitations, huge debt and liability and the only way to pay it off pegged to the USD? Which countries would Bernie hope to emulate - thats a somewhat loose statement since I'm not down with his platform (unless someone takes his platform down that is). I did come across something recently that said he was against open borders as that was a Koch idea which I do agree with so Bernie wouldnt turn the US into Norway or Sweden or so the internet says.
We can semi agree on the tax raises. I've always argued against the sell off of Crown Corp assets or corp's themselves. A "state" needs an income other than the usual sources but the common folk who have benefitted under Trump will not appreciate that tax grab in the name of Socialism and losing more of their income.
I also dont see how you guys think Trump is too old and physically unfit while Sanders isnt?
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Posted by: KenN
Posted by: switch
The conspiracy to stop Bernie has begun...
Apparently Obama had a "heart-to-heart" conversation with Butterguy just before he dropped out.
Now what would you think that would be about?
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