Trump.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Biden is part of the DNC, a private company. The DNC has rep's in the House, Congress and Senate. Can you pull your head out of your own ass long enough to see that for what it is? Consider that rhetorical since you cant see the DNC Impeachment coup for just that (a usurping of government with your blessing).

Stop the clinical psych comments. They make you look like attack bot Bazzet.

Funny you should bring up FISA. The FISA court made a rare public statement recently about the FBI's and or Comey's (ab)use of the process.

As for a smoking gun in the FISA process, there was people who had criminal charges were referred if I'm not mistaken and just like I said I doubt there will be indictments because of where Barr came from.

And again, Trump asked a foreign gubment for assistance. I have yet to see any pressure by the current US Admin. Biden publicaly pressured a foreign gubment with Obama's help and you and all your libtarded friends are completely cool with it. Cog dissonance what now?

DNC a "private company"? lol wut?

Cognitive dissonance is not clinical psych.

Biden pressuring a foreign government? You've got that wrong. In fact you've got it backwards.

Something tells me you need to find some better sources of information on these topics than the ones you're using.

In defense of Shogun, the DNC and the GOP are probably the most powerful companies in the world.

I think he goes wrong when saying one is better than the other.

Posted by: FLATCH

Impeached! What now Marc?

Considering that was expected, now we get to wait and see what the Senate does.

Personally, I hope Graham was feeding the House some rope and bs when he said they just wanted to vote and make it go away, meanwhile they have full intentions to rake all who partook in the impeachment process over the coals with a proper invesitgation. If Trump is removed by the Senate, thats the start of another banana Republic (all brought by to you the Democratic Party).

Posted by: ReductiMat

In defense of Shogun, the DNC and the GOP are probably the most powerful companies in the world.

I think he goes wrong when saying one is better than the other.

I think a lot of you go wrong speaking for me.

Posted by: syncro

DNC a "private company"? lol wut?

Cognitive dissonance is not clinical psych.

Biden pressuring a foreign government? You've got that wrong. In fact you've got it backwards.

Something tells me you need to find some better sources of information on these topics than the ones you're using.

lol read dude.

While its not, its being played out here and next thing you know it'll be dropped every other post like lolzorz used to be.

Not wrong.

Perhaps you should scrutinize your sources more.

edit/ps: how many accounts do you have on here?

Posted by: ReductiMat

Fuck.  You're right, Cam is finally gonna kick us off here unless we do.  Hope I remember to go there.

There's enough bullshit in both threads. I like to keep things simple for you folks.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Timeline  This is a good one that goes back in time to show how everything is connected.

Does it not seem odd to you that Trump decides he is going to crack down on global corruption, and the one case he happens upon involves Joe Biden?

Nope. Maybe it's tit for tat - you've said it yourself, how many invesitgations were involving Trump's family?

And I think there's now 3 congressional investigations into Biden & Biden. But as you guys are fond saying, those dont find any wrong doing so its all a stage right?

I'll get back to you on the timeline somewhat later.

Lots.  Take the one that found they improperly ran a charity for their own gain for example.. but how many investigations were launched by Biden?  Does Biden represent all law enforcement to explain the tit for tat?  Are the accusations of sexual assault Biden's fault too?  Can you pull your head out of his ass long enough to see how ridiculous this all is?  If the investigations find wrongdoing by the Bidens I will fully accept that.  I doubt they will, but I don't know what they have done and I can't look reality in the face and choose to not believe it.  If they did find wrongdoing Biden would probably step down too.

This is your cognitive dissonance at work.  You hoped they would find a smoking gun in the FISA process that started Russiagate (spoiler... they didn't) because it would have been a violation of the process and it could get him off the hook on a technicality and in your mind erase everything they found on him.  But you are A-OK with Trump pressuring a foreign government to investigate his opponent's son and send over his personal "fixer" to find the dirt.  What about your strong belief in the legal process?  It would be funny if there weren't 150 million more of you with voting rights.

Biden is part of the DNC, a private company. The DNC has rep's in the House, Congress and Senate. Can you pull your head out of your own ass long enough to see that for what it is? Consider that rhetorical since you cant see the DNC Impeachment coup for just that (a usurping of government with your blessing).

Stop the clinical psych comments. They make you look like attack bot Bazzet.

Funny you should bring up FISA. The FISA court made a rare public statement recently about the FBI's and or Comey's (ab)use of the process.

As for a smoking gun in the FISA process, there was people who had criminal charges were referred if I'm not mistaken and just like I said I doubt there will be indictments because of where Barr came from.

And again, Trump asked a foreign gubment for assistance. I have yet to see any pressure by the current US Admin. Biden publicaly pressured a foreign gubment with Obama's help and you and all your libtarded friends are completely cool with it. Cog dissonance what now?

So the DNC launched the investigations into the Trump's?  I am still not following your tit for tat argument.  

Impeachment is not a coup, even if you disagree with their reasons.  I felt like Clinton was set up with the BJ scandal, but I never felt it was a coup.  It is a legitimate process, and it doesn't matter that Trump feels it's unfair, the Dems in the house were also elected by the people and stopping them from doing their job is really the attempt to reverse an election.  It is also a really shitty form of a coup since it doesn't necessarily get rid of him and if it did he would be replaced by Pence, not Pelosi.  

coup /ko͞o/ - noun - a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Was it sudden?  Violent?  Illegal?  Is there a seizure of power?  0 for 4

And yes, I am cool with Biden and the world pressuring Ukraine to fire Shokin because he is corrupt.  Governments pressure other governments all the time in order to push their NATIONAL agenda.  Trump was trying to get Ukraine involved in the 2020 election for his own PERSONAL gain.  Review the timeline.  EU diplomats were pressing Ukraine to fire Shokin months before Biden entered the picture.  How do you square this FACT with your narrative the Biden was acting in his own self-interests.  Every time more information emerges, Trump's motive becomes more obvious.  At least to those of us that can see obvious things. 

And for FISA, they revealed that there are problems with how the FBI conducts investigations but didn't find any issues with the Trump investigation.  Nobody here is going to argue with that.  Comey is not my friend.  But it doesn't help Trump at all.  The investigation is legit and so is impeachment.

Merry Impeachmas!

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: ReductiMat

Fuck.  You're right, Cam is finally gonna kick us off here unless we do.  Hope I remember to go there.

There's enough bullshit in both threads. I like to keep things simple for you folks.

I love when you say shit like that. Like you’re doing us a favour. You’re a real peach.

Posted by: FLATCH

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: ReductiMat

Fuck.  You're right, Cam is finally gonna kick us off here unless we do.  Hope I remember to go there.

There's enough bullshit in both threads. I like to keep things simple for you folks.

I love when you say shit like that. Like you’re doing us a favour. You’re a real peach.

Put yourself in my position. Zero backup anywhere! and I keep you guys going non stop.

Posted by: ReductiMat

In defense of Shogun, the DNC and the GOP are probably the most powerful companies in the world.

I think he goes wrong when saying one is better than the other.

GOP - corporatist bafflegab

DNC - corporatist bafflegab, improved with Obamacare!

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: syncro

DNC a "private company"? lol wut?

Cognitive dissonance is not clinical psych.

Biden pressuring a foreign government? You've got that wrong. In fact you've got it backwards.

Something tells me you need to find some better sources of information on these topics than the ones you're using.

lol read dude.

While its not, its being played out here and next thing you know it'll be dropped every other post like lolzorz used to be.

Not wrong.

Perhaps you should scrutinize your sources more.

edit/ps: how many accounts do you have on here?

it's more an organization than a company

it's a concept/term that has been in the common lexicon for a while now

your interpretation of it and the context in which you use it is very, very wrong and does not compare at all to trump's actions

i check multiple sources, both left and right

hundreds

Re checking sources, I would say that on avg, right and hard right sources tend to misrepresent the truth or lie outright. Far left sources tend to do the same thing. Left sources can bend the truth too to support their position, but usually not so bad that it creates a fabrication or completely misrepresents the truth. Center right, center, center left and left sources often prove to be the most factual. I say this based on accumulated knowledge and knowing enough that when something seems to be not right I will go and research it which often means tracking down the original report or research paper that the news/blog report claim is based on. I also try to be cognizant of the big picture and not let a single report that goes against the general trend of available info sway me into discounting that general trend. Now it's true that sometimes that this is the case where that one outlier is actually correct, but that doesn't happen often and given sometime it's also usually shown to be the correct position via follow up study or research. For example when one part of an ice sheet grows over a one or two year period we don't say that climate change is a hoax and the planet isn't warming but cooling, we instead look at the long term trends and other data and continue to monitor things to get a better understanding of what's happening.

So in the case of your Biden claim for example, yes he did put pressure on Ukraine, but not for the reasons you intimate. He also was not alone on that either, diplomats from other European nations, the IMF as well as anti-corruption advocates in the Ukraine all had legitimate concerns about Shokin and wanted him out. It also seems you have given no consideration to what many in the West wanted Shokin gone and you've gotten the timelines of the Burisma issues and Biden's son's time on the board all out of whack as well. There are several reports covering the whole thing from fairly reputable and well established agencies, two I thought were relatively good reads came from Bloomberg and the USA Today. 

As an aside but related to this I'll suggest that you consider how bias (left/right) and accuracy (truth/facts) affect reporting. Personally I am ok with some bias and even expect it from most sources. As long as it's not too overt I thin the average reader is not going to get overwhelmed by it. What's not ok is factually incorrect reporting, and to be honest in this say and age it really shouldn't be happening as it's often easy to check sourcing. What is outright despicable is a combination of strong bias and outright lies or a strong bending of the truth. Your Biden claim? Well that's not to far from being outright despicable considering how easy it is to check out what happened.